Citadel Warthog?

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Since:
  1. I want a modern defensive shotgun.
  2. I don't want to wrench on my Ithaca Model 37DSPS.
  3. I want a semi-auto.
  4. I'm unwilling to pay Benelli prices.
  5. Most everything else is unavailable.
  6. The local used market is about nonexistent.
I'm looking at budget guns, specifically Citadel.

Does anybody have experience with the Warthog? I know there have been some recent design changes to enhance safety and reliability. I also know that (with minor modifications) they can use Benelli magazine extension tubes.

This general class of gun is mostly what's available these days, and reasonably priced locally.

Any comments about these guns?
 
They're supposed to be pretty decent quality, but I'd be a bit tentative because of lack of parts support stateside. I've heard great things about Beretta 1301, or for a touch less, you couldn't go wrong with a Mossberg 930.
 
A C said:
They're supposed to be pretty decent quality, but I'd be a bit tentative because of lack of parts support stateside. I've heard great things about Beretta 1301, or for a touch less, you couldn't go wrong with a Mossberg 930.
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My first choice was the Mossberg 930. Too bad it's EXCEEDINGLY difficult to come by one, especially here. You can't buy what nobody's got, and I'd prefer not to have to go through the hassle of finding an independent FFL.
 
cdb1 said:
Have you ever purchased a firearm from an independent FFL?
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Yes, and it was nowhere as easy as just walking into a store, where I can touch the actual gun.

The last time I did, I ended up with not exactly the gun I wanted. If I'd been able to see it at the store BEFORE I bought it, that wouldn't have happened.

There have been IMPORTANT design changes in the Warthog that affect user safety in a major way. I need to know whether those changes have been made on THAT gun. AFTER the gun shows up at some FFL's house is not the time to find out that they weren't applied to that specific gun.

We're not talking about used or collector firearms. We're talking about a current production item that's been subject to important modifications. Under those circumstances, it's ALWAYS better to see it before it shows up at somebody's HOUSE, avoiding a situation which inconveniences BOTH of us. If the changes haven't been applied, I simply won't accept the gun. Why would I put that on the FFL?
 
Deanimator said:
Yes, and it was nowhere as easy as just walking into a store, where I can touch the actual gun.

The last time I did, I ended up with not exactly the gun I wanted. If I'd been able to see it at the store BEFORE I bought it, that wouldn't have happened.

There have been IMPORTANT design changes in the Warthog that affect user safety in a major way. I need to know whether those changes have been made on THAT gun. AFTER the gun shows up at some FFL's house is not the time to find out that they weren't applied to that specific gun.

We're not talking about used or collector firearms. We're talking about a current production item that's been subject to important modifications. Under those circumstances, it's ALWAYS better to see it before it shows up at somebody's HOUSE, avoiding a situation which inconveniences BOTH of us. If the changes haven't been applied, I simply won't accept the gun. Why would I put that on the FFL?
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Solid reasoning. I would do a quick search and see if they changed the product code after changes were made. If it’s a different UPC code then you could buy one with the correct model designation, UPC code, or whatever distinguishing mark that they use for current design. If they didn’t change it then I would be suspect of all guns unless you can inspect before purchase.
 
WestKentucky said:
Solid reasoning. I would do a quick search and see if they changed the product code after changes were made. If it’s a different UPC code then you could buy one with the correct model designation, UPC code, or whatever distinguishing mark that they use for current design. If they didn’t change it then I would be suspect of all guns unless you can inspect before purchase.
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The guy who made the video pointing out the issue didn't mention UPCs. Given that a lot of online adds show an identical Citadel gun, but DON'T refer to it as the "Warthog" doesn't bode well for a clear answer. I suppose I could check out Legacy Sports' website to see if they have contact info and/or a recall notice for the older guns. The issue revolves around firing out of battery. The fired shells looked like they'd gone through a garbage disposal. Very distinctive changes were made to the bolt assembly and the gas system.
 
Given that I couldn't find the relevant information on Legacy Sports' website and their online catalog shows only the essentially identical Boss Hog instead of the Warthog, I sent them an email regarding the difference, whether the Warthog was still in production, UPC code differences and the safety mods. We'll see if I get an answer.
 
I'm not sure chasing down an off brand value shotgun that has undergone multiple design changes from a company that does not respond to inquiries is your best option.

Find a Mossberg 930 if you want to go new.

If used is an option, the Beretta 1201FP is pretty much the same as a Benelli Super 90. They used to be in the $500 price range, but the past year has probably push the price up.
 
clang said:
I'm not sure chasing down an off brand value shotgun that has undergone multiple design changes from a company that does not respond to inquiries is your best option.

Find a Mossberg 930 if you want to go new.

If used is an option, the Beretta 1201FP is pretty much the same as a Benelli Super 90. They used to be in the $500 price range, but the past year has probably push the price up.
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"Find" (and at a reasonable price) is the operative word.

There's a reason why these guns are popular right now.
 
You are acting like sourcing a Mossberg 930 or other proven quality shotgun (Remington 1100, Beretta 1301 etc.) is some herculean effort.

Find an FFL nearby and have them order you a 930, or look at local pawn shops or gun stores for a used Remington 1100 or 1187.

https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index

Go ahead and order the bottom dollar half baked clunker if you want. It’s pretty clear you are dead set on it, for better or for worse.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
You are acting like sourcing a Mossberg 930 or other proven quality shotgun (Remington 1100, Beretta 1301 etc.) is some herculean effort.

Find an FFL nearby and have them order you a 930, or look at local pawn shops or gun stores for a used Remington 1100 or 1187.

https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index

Go ahead and order the bottom dollar half baked clunker if you want. It’s pretty clear you are dead set on it, for better or for worse.
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  1. I've never seen a pawn shop here that carried guns. Of course my past observations of pawn shop gun sales prefigured the age of the "internet Nigerian prince".
  2. Good selections of used guns at gun shops here isn't a "thing".
  3. Yeah, it's not like people like Bud's are out of most everything...
 
Take a little road trip over to Findlay Ohio to Jaqua's Fine Guns and see what they have available or they have an online presence also. It is about 3 hour drive for me in Indiana and I have bought 4-5 shotguns from them over the years.
 
Deanimator said:
My first choice was the Mossberg 930. Too bad it's EXCEEDINGLY difficult to come by one, especially here. You can't buy what nobody's got, and I'd prefer not to have to go through the hassle of finding an independent FFL.
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Deanimator said:
Yeah, it's not like people like Bud's are out of most everything...
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I understand if you want to touchy-feely 1st. Having said that....

There are several new 930s on Buds with Buy Now pricing so you don't have to mess with the bidding process

Example:
Buy Now price $629.95
Mossberg 930 Tactical 12 Gauge 7+1 Defensive 12 Ga Shotgun Pump 930 12ga

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/906160068

This link is filtered for new 930s with Buy Now pricing. Quite a few 930s to choose from.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/searc...ze=24&Sort=13&View=1&BuyNowOnly=1&Condition=1

I recently used gunbroker for the 1st time. I've used galleryofguns / gungenie before but not gunbroker. Gunbroker was easy and I was able to select my ffl of choice which happened to be a large-ish gun store less than 3 miles away in a smallish city with many others local options to choose from small to large including Acadamy. Practically as easy as gungenie. I was very happy with the way things went.

Good luck.
 
kudu said:
Take a little road trip over to Findlay Ohio to Jaqua's Fine Guns and see what they have available or they have an online presence also. It is about 3 hour drive for me in Indiana and I have bought 4-5 shotguns from them over the years.
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When I worked in Fremont, and had to travel to Findlay for work several times, I tried to go to Jaqua's, but never managed to catch them when they were open. I think of Jaqua's more for $10,000 trap guns, but I'll check out their website to see if there's anything of interest that I could afford without selling my car.
 
My son and I each have a Rock Island Armory(ARMSCOR) 1911. Based on that experience, quality would not be an issue with me concerning a Warthog.

ARMSCOR has had a repair facility in Nevada for a few years. I would think Legacy would have repair and warranty work done in Nevada instead of shipping guns to the Philippines. If that’s the case I wouldn’t be too concerned regarding parts availability, unless there is an issue I haven’t heard about.

The only thing that would give me pause is Legacy Sports doesn’t have a stellar reputation when it comes to to customer service. I don’t know anyone with a Citadel product. I do know some people with Howa’s who’ve have issues with Legacy customer service and warranty work.
 
It doesn’t really seem like you are interested in opinions, just affirmation, but.

I have shot over a thousand rounds of sporting clays and skeet. In that time, I could probably count on two hands the number of times I saw a round without a misfire of some description by a semi-Auto. Most of the semis that jammed or misfired will have been pretty high dollar guns. So, a semi would never be my choice for a home defense gun, whether it was a $2000 Beretta or a $300 Warthog.

The Turks seem to be able to make decent semis at very low prices. But I wouldn’t bet my life on it.

Given that Benelli Novas are available for not much more than the Warthog, that, and used 870s or Mossberg 500s, are where I would be looking.

Good luck.
 
cdb1 said:
My son and I each have a Rock Island Armory(ARMSCOR) 1911. Based on that experience, quality would not be an issue with me concerning a Warthog.

ARMSCOR has had a repair facility in Nevada for a few years. I would think Legacy would have repair and warranty work done in Nevada instead of shipping guns to the Philippines. If that’s the case I wouldn’t be too concerned regarding parts availability, unless there is an issue I haven’t heard about.

The only thing that would give me pause is Legacy Sports doesn’t have a stellar reputation when it comes to to customer service. I don’t know anyone with a Citadel product. I do know some people with Howa’s who’ve have issues with Legacy customer service and warranty work.
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I've got a Citadel 3 1/2" M1911 that I've had for a few years. It has BAR NONE the best out of the box trigger of any M1911 I've ever owned, and I've owned a few. It's also reliable with name brand magazines, whether with ball or hollowpoints.
 
I got a Linberta budget shotgun. It’s a shooting machine. The Warthog looks very similar. At the price what do you have to loose. Reviews appear positive.
 
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