Sparrow and it's competitors

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So I'm considering getting a suppressor, while I still have a little of Uncle Joe's money and the rules seem to be minimally painful.

I went to one of the larger gun rooms that runs radio ads and they have a silencer shop kiosk and were nice enough to let me handle some of their stock, but I didn't shoot anything.

I pulled out and inexpensive sig suppressor, a warlock, something from I think Yankee hill manufacturing or something like that, a sparrow and the one that Ruger makes to go with the 10/22. Going just on feel alone I really like the sparrow, but the Ruger seemed okay a little bulkier and maybe a touch heavier, none of the aluminum models really felt confidence inspiring. Even though the sig brought the price down to where of I didn't need to pay the tax stamp and could walk out with it I would take it as an impulse buy. Looking on line the other one that I was hoping to look at but they didn't have was the hydra, but a little bit of the appeal there is the anodized tube and my inner redneck's love of shiny objects.

I like the appeal of being able to run up to .22 hornet in theory with the higher cost cans, but this will mostly be a plinker toy in reality. I considered going solvent trap but honestly I don't see the cost benefit, and I don't want to waste a tax stamp on something that I could easily screw up when I could just spend a little more money and get something better.

The primary host will be a plain model of Ruger's charger pistol no take down barrel, all factory parts, wearing a Burris fast fire III with a shroud over the optic. If I get approved for a suppressor I might sbr it into a pocket rifle and drop it into rifle chassis but largely I'm satisfied with how it works as is.

I'd appreciate any feedback it's kinda a pain how big of a deal it is to get one but it is what it is and I'd rather get it right and ask questions now than run on autopilot and regret it later.

Any other models I should be looking at?
Any flaws in my thought process?
I know there's a few stamp collectors here any pointers that you wish you knew before hand? Pitfalls I should try and avoid?
 
You pretty much named the popular ones. Lol, no Gemtech. Check out Dead Air. The Sparrow is at the top of my list for a upgrade.
If your hosts include items like 1911 22 conversions and Glock 44's, it will push you towards the more svelte options.

I don't see any traps with your use case. Best wishes.
 
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I don't see any traps with your use case.

I might.;)
After all, even I completed four hand made, “solvent trap” type suppressors. Three of them rimfire. And they’re not made out of wood! (Carpenter joke.:D)

But the DeadAir would be my pick otherwise. Nice that you’ve got a full service dealer. I had to take more drastic measures.:)
 
I would grab a Thunderbeast 22 Takedown or a Dead Air Mask.

Either will serve you well, but I am partial to TBAC. I even have 2 of their 22 Takedowns...
 
In the last six years I can count the # of SiCo Sparrows I've sold/transferred on one hand with fingers left over.
Dead Air Mask HD's? Around a hundred.

FYI....the DA Mask comes with a $100 Silencer Shop gift card until midnight tomorrow.
 
I saw that coupon and it's pretty tempting but I don't know what I would use the gift card on and am not really done feeling it out and looking at my options.
 
The sparrow I tried had a fairly loud first round pop on a handgun with a 4" barrel. I bought a dead air mask instead and could not be more pleased. I'm not saying there aren't better cans, but I can easily recommend the dead air. I would use the coupon on one of these https://www.silencershop.com/gemtech-universal-rimfire-qda.html it makes it so much easier to I stall and remove the can. I actually got my can stuck on a host a few times at the range because carbon buildup locked the can on until I got home and put a strap wench on it.

Look for stainless steel, easy to take apart, no first round pop.
 
I don't have enough experience with different suppressors to be much use in comparing them. With that said, my one and only NFA item is a Dead Air Mask and it's awesome. Folks here and at TFL who are far more knowledgeable than I about NFA items helped me decide and I have not regretted it for a minute. It's been worth every penny and every minute of the wait.
 
I don't think that I will be able to take advantage of the gift card on the dead air unfortunately but it's definitely in the running there's actually a few places that do nfa stuff one fairly close by so I might try and see if I can take a look at what they have. Their prices on ammo and firearms is terrible even pre 'rona but they are very good on accessories and magazines, weirdly.

I don't currently plan on using it with a pistol, err....at least with a barrel less than ten inches but could be a factor and now that I know it's an issue I have found some reports on the first round pop on the sparrow but it also reports you can mitigate it somewhat with a spray bottle of water, so I'm not quite ready to drop it.

If anyone has any experience with the Ruger suppressor I'm interested it was a wider diameter and proportionately heavier than the Sparrow with a similar length and about $50 more expensive but if it is a good value I don't want to dismiss it for that. As well as any other leads.

I'll try and keep an eye out for a thunder beast but it keeps coming up out of stock, but I really like the idea that the baffles are keyed and labeled to protect the less than innocent end user and the weight and length seem to gel with what I'm looking to do.
 
I think I'm closing in on a 'plan' the mask is really looking like it's too highly recommended to pass over, however I really like the unique flame anodized tube on the hydra (incredibly stupid reasoning I know) and all of the reviews I am seem pretty positive. I would still want to see them in person before I buy but I don't think that's going to be possible so I might just get the mask or do a coin toss or something.

Some more generalized questions, it looks like I'm going to have to go through the silencer shop directly. What's the general experience with them like? Do I just find a kiosk and go to town?

I generally avoid titanium because I know that it's cleaning procedure is different than other metals, any tips and tricks I want to know beyond avoid abrasives?

I tend to use Aguila federal and cci ammunition and usually select high velocity brass washed bullets with a few lead round noses thrown in, does my .22 diet need to change for the suppressor?

What about those new polymer coated cci rounds (note: I still haven't ever actually seen these on the shelf yet but eventually they should appear right?) anyone use them are they any cleaner or is it just a gimick?
 
You want to stay subsonic.
for a rifle, you want standard velocity ammo. the high velocity stuff goes supersonic and the CRACK is loud. stick with 1050fps or less and it's very quiet. In my 4" handgun barrel, all the bulk ammo stays subsonic. I don't know about the 10" barrel on the charger. It may require standard velocity ammo.

if you like the hydra, get the hydra. I've heard nothing but good about it (albeit nothing not all that much, and no firsthand experience)
 
Silencer shop makes it very simple. Just go on the site and add the suppressor, tax stamp and trust (if you want) to your cart and check out. It will give you a list of dealers in your area to send it to.

Then they will send you an email of what else they need. You will fill out what's basically a 4473 on their site, you need to take a selfi using their app, and will need to go find a kiosk to take your finger prints. After that all your info will be on file if you plan to buy another. They will ship it to your dealer and then your form 4 is sent in.
 
If there's no kiosk nearby (there's not one near me), you'll have to find another way to get your prints to them. I bought my Mask from them a few years ago and it's really, really easy.
 
I don't know anything about the Hydra, but I don't see a problem with allowing the Cool Factor into the decision-making process. I had to wait 10 months for my suppressor, and I would have really hated to wait 10 months and wish I'd gotten something different.
 
I really like my AAC Element2. It does not have the first round pop reported in the Sparrow. I am not sure whether the Element2 is produced now (If I recall, Remington owned AAC and then went into bankruptcy, etc).
 
The old military trick with cans was to fire one round into the dirt, and put a piece of masking tape over the end.

Keeps the gases in, displacing O2 for a 'quiet' mission.

Conelrad
 
Don't know if you've made your choice yet, but I wouldn't pick the Sparrow for primarily pistol use. Per the testing I've seen, the Sparrow is still one of the quietest rimfire cans on a rifle, but I can confirm that they do have significant FRP on pistols.

Last November I was looking for another rimfire can to use primarily on pistols and move my Sparrow to rifle only and narrowed my selection down to:

DA Mask
Rugged Oculus 22
TBAC 22 Take Down
EA Nyx

I couldn't find a TBAC and decided I wanted skirted baffles so it was down to the Mask and the Oculus, after playing with both and listening to my buddies Oculus on a pistol I went that route (pending 01/05, still waiting).

I think the four I listed are basically the top options (maybe with the addition of CGS, but the Hydra I played with didn't seem quite right) and I'd personally stick to one of those. It sounds like you have gift card to somewhere, but keep in mind that: the tax stamp is a pretty significant portion of the cost of any rimfire can, even the best cans are only ~$400, and whatever you buy will be yours permanently. So it's a good idea to get the best you can, and exactly the can you want.

Btw, I heard a Ruger can on a rifle for the first time the other day, and it sounded good, but then again, most rimfire cans do, on rifles.
 
I'm still at a coin toss over the mask and the hydra right now I'm waiting on a friend to pay me back. I loaned them a bit of my stimulus so they could make a down payment on a bigger van for new kid.

I hadn't considered the Oculus but I'm fairly certain that the element isn't around right now for bankruptcy reasons.
 
per the reddit nfa megathread https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/ocof79/july_2021_stamp_approval_megathread/
they are mostly approving cans from mid december-xmas time right now. Have been for about a month. I think there may have been an election surge. Unfortunately, the can I submitted early october got lost or forgotten to be mailed or something and didn't go pending until mid march. So instead of having had my can for 3 months, I still have 3+ months to go......
 
per the reddit nfa megathread https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/ocof79/july_2021_stamp_approval_megathread/
they are mostly approving cans from mid december-xmas time right now. Have been for about a month. I think there may have been an election surge. Unfortunately, the can I submitted early october got lost or forgotten to be mailed or something and didn't go pending until mid march. So instead of having had my can for 3 months, I still have 3+ months to go......

Yes, I am part of the election surge. I think we are getting close though ;)
 
I have the Sparrow since that is what the dealer I use carries. It works very well IMO. A bolt action 22 I have make no noise. I hear the trigger/firing pin and the impact on the target.

I should have the opportunity to try a different one in about 6 months. :) Not sure I will be able to hear the difference.
 
Whatever you do don't buy an aluminum 22 rimfire suppressor, it limits you severely on what options you have for cleaning it. Personally, I would stick with stainless internal baffles and just deal with a bit of additional weight. If you want weight savings and don't mind spending the extra cash Titanium is a much better option than aluminum.

My first suppressor was a aluminum monocore which is great as far as weight is concerned but the weight savings aren't near as noticeable when it's loaded with lead and carbon that makes it a pain to disassemble and even more of a pain to clean.

I would look hard at the Dead Air Mask HD, and the Silencerco Sparrow, both of those are great suppressors.
 
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