"Shockwave" style guns = love or hate?

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amd6547 said:
By the way…this guy, “Patches” Watson, thought his pistol gripped Ithaca Model 37 loaded with #4 buck was the best thing to carry on his SEAL missions in Vietnam. He chose it in preference to AR’s, AK’s and Swedish K SMG’s. He did like the Stoner LMG, though.View attachment 1008297
I find the Shockwave phenomenon kind of funny…
For quite few years, I kept my Mossberg 500 set up with an OEM pistol grip and 18” barrel. Used as a home defense gun, and did a lot of shooting at the range with it, using full power buck and slug. My friend had one too, and we would have shooting matches with them. Great fun, and got pretty good with them.
Then, Speedfeed started selling a grip just about identical to the Shockwave grip. I immediately saw the advantages over the original pistol grip, and put one on my Mossberg…it worked great, and I considered it a game changer.
Occasionally, I would get involved in forum discussions about pistol grip shotguns, which were almost always dismissive and disdainful. In one instance, I was treated to insult and ridicule in a thread for simply describing my personal experience shooting pistol gripped shotguns, and the Speedfeed Shockwave-style grip in particular…even from the “beloved” moderator of the forum.
Now, they are all the rage, and I wonder how many of those guys have Shockwaves.
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It kind of goes back to what I’ve said several time, “ There are some people that tend to know a lot about things they know very little about “.
You will find that many times when someone disagrees with you, but can’t backup their argument with facts, much less personal experience, they just become rude in hopes that you will go away.
For me, I never cared much for a shotgun with just a pistol grip, but I have friends that thought they were the cat’s meow. This didn’t make either of us wrong, just a simple fact that we both liked different things.
I have one of those old Speedfeed Shockwave style grips for a Winchester 120. I had an old 120 that looked like hell, but without a barrel, that was given to me. I could never find a barrel at a decent price, but this was years ago. I may dig around for the parts to see if I still have them and look for a barrel again. It might end up being a fun gun to shoot.
But remember this. Always be willing to try something new, you might find something fun to play with or something to add to your inventory.
 
Yes the Shockwave and similar are definitely nicer to shoot than the super shorty's. I love my 410 Shockwave and it fits my needs perfectly. Like I said in previous threads, I was trained in the Army on how to use these types of firearms.
 
I was considering buying one the other day but just couldn't seem to find a workable aiming solution while handling it in the store---so took home a new 9 shot 590 instead which comes with a pistol grip kit that I doubt I'll ever use for a few bucks more than the Shockwave.



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Useless, no.

Sub-optimal and VERY unpleasant to shoot? Absolutely.

The closest thing I've shot to one was a friend's pistol grip Mossberg 500. I'll never own one or anything like it.

If I'm in an environment where such a thing was required due to space limitations, I'd just do what I did for the last twenty some years until I moved to a larger apartment and rely on a good handgun.
 
Deanimator said:
Useless, no.

Sub-optimal and VERY unpleasant to shoot? Absolutely.

The closest thing I've shot to one was a friend's pistol grip Mossberg 500. I'll never own one or anything like it.

If I'm in an environment where such a thing was required due to space limitations, I'd just do what I did for the last twenty some years until I moved to a larger apartment and rely on a good handgun.
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Shooting a Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip is not pleasant at all. Shooting a Shochwave or the TAC 14 is totally different. My 14 year old grandson loves to shoot my TAC 14.
 
Deanimator said:
Useless, no.

Sub-optimal and VERY unpleasant to shoot? Absolutely.

The closest thing I've shot to one was a friend's pistol grip Mossberg 500. I'll never own one or anything like it.

If I'm in an environment where such a thing was required due to space limitations, I'd just do what I did for the last twenty some years until I moved to a larger apartment and rely on a good handgun.
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Actually shooting a Shockwave with the bird head grip is a lot different than shooting a shotgun with a pistol grip that is below the receiver. A 12 gauge Shockwave is not as bad on recoil as a 12 gauge Model 500 with pistol grip.
 
Deanimator said:
Useless, no.

Sub-optimal and VERY unpleasant to shoot? Absolutely.

The closest thing I've shot to one was a friend's pistol grip Mossberg 500. I'll never own one or anything like it.

If I'm in an environment where such a thing was required due to space limitations, I'd just do what I did for the last twenty some years until I moved to a larger apartment and rely on a good handgun.
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As others have said a pistol grip shotgun sucks to fire but the raptor grip makes it way easier.

It's like......9mm vs 44magnum recoil difference
 
Hate.

I owned the Mossberg iteration, briefly. Not short enough to be interesting as the elongated birdshead grip adds to the total length of the package and changing it out is a violation of the law, so you’re stuck with it. Difficult to control and awkward by any measure. The nearly horizontal grip works decently for hip firing but that gets old fast.

All it did was prove to me how important the stock on a shotgun is. The only thing I really like about them is they’re a big middle digit to the ATF.
 
Like or hate seems to have a direct correlation to time and effort put in by the user in learning to properly use them.

If they are painful, or hard to shoot, you're doing something wrong.
 
trackskippy said:
Like or hate seems to have a direct correlation to time and effort put in by the user in learning to properly use them.

If they are painful, or hard to shoot, you're doing something wrong.
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Or they're painful and hard to shoot.

There are things that are worth my time and effort and things that aren't. My full stocked Ithaca 37 is. A shockwave type gun isn't.

Shooting doesn't need to be some sort of primitive manhood ceremony.
 
trackskippy said:
Like or hate seems to have a direct correlation to time and effort put in by the user in learning to properly use them.

If they are painful, or hard to shoot, you're doing something wrong.
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I couldn't agree more with you.

The versions we used in the military were shorter than the Shockwave. IIRC the barrels were 12", otherwise the same exact setup and we trained regular with them. And we shot either buckshot loads or breeches loads.
 
The Shockwave is not for everyone and that is perfectly okay. Use what you are most comfortable with. But please don't knock others for using something different. Variety is the spice of life.

I trained with the military version on a regular basis when I was in the Army so there was no learning curve for me. Each type of weapon has a different skill set that needs to be learned. My training sure won't help me on the trap or skeet ranges, there are no doors to breech :D
 
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I think a lot of the problem when it comes to stuff like this, or anything really is, a lot of people seem to base things on a couple of rounds out of someone else's gun, and most of the time with no training or instruction or forewarning to how it might shoot and what and why to watch out for, and then thats the whole of their experience, and their experience wasn't good. So whatever the gun is, its crap.

Everything new and unfamiliar to you is going to feel off and have a learning curve until you get familiar with it. That doesn't happen in a couple of rounds or a mag or two. It takes a little time and usually a fair amount of ammo to figure things out. Once you've done that, you usually have a very different outlook on things than you did at the start. Having an open mind willing and wanting to learn, will usually get you a lot farther and faster too.
 
Deanimator said:
Or they're painful and hard to shoot.

There are things that are worth my time and effort and things that aren't. My full stocked Ithaca 37 is. A shockwave type gun isn't.

Shooting doesn't need to be some sort of primitive manhood ceremony.
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Like Deanimator, my HD shotgun is a stocked Ithaca 37. I love it and would not get rid of it for any reason. I actually sold an 870 Tactical Magnum instead of the 37 when done some trading.

I have shot a Tac-14, not an actual Shockwave, but the firing method is the same, and simple to do. I don't own one, but I would get one if the right circumstances came up. (I should have bought one when they were at $200. :( )

Having shot several PGO shotguns also (with regular pistol grips, not the Raptor grip) I don't plan on doing it again. The stock on my Ithaca is a John Masen convertible one, it can be PGO or full stock. I tried the PGO before putting the rest of the stock on, just to remind my self why PGO's aren't a good idea. At least I knew how to shoot them from previous (bad) experiences.
It has remained full stock since then.

If you want to shoot a Shockwave-type shotgun, watch this video first, Clint teaches it best (Though I admit I would love a training session from 12 Bravo12 in breaching....):



4:12 on is the shooting
 
Deanimator said:
Or they're painful and hard to shoot.

There are things that are worth my time and effort and things that aren't. My full stocked Ithaca 37 is. A shockwave type gun isn't.

Shooting doesn't need to be some sort of primitive manhood ceremony.
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You've literally never shot one so your assumption is based on fantasy.

Seriously, the grip makes a ton of difference because of grip angle. You have zero idea what you are talking about. Pistol grip shotguns suck because all the recoil comes back at your wrist, the raptor grip changes that considerably

And like I've mentioned before it's not really a shotgun so much as an entirely different platform that shoots shotshells and has a different purpose. Comparing it to a stocked shotgun is apples to oranges
 
Antihero said:
You've literally never shot one so your assumption is based on fantasy.

Seriously, the grip makes a ton of difference because of grip angle. You have zero idea what you are talking about. Pistol grip shotguns suck because all the recoil comes back at your wrist, the raptor grip changes that considerably

And like I've mentioned before it's not really a shotgun so much as an entirely different platform that shoots shotshells and has a different purpose. Comparing it to a stocked shotgun is apples to oranges
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It's nothing I either need or want.

Have you noticed that you REALLY want me to own one but I don't CARE if you do?
 
entropy said:
If you want to shoot a Shockwave-type shotgun, watch this video first, Clint teaches it best (Though I admit I would love a training session from 12 Bravo12 in breaching....):



4:12 on is the shooting
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It's pretty simple actually, I was usually number three in the stack with the shorty. We used buckshot at first until the sintered breeching slugs became available. On most doors a quick shot at the door handle or hinges does the trick and the No 1 and 2 guys go right through. When I was doing the breeching of the door, I would stand to the side after shooting the door while the rest of the team entered the building. While waiting, I would transition from the shorty to my rifle.

And yes there were times that we didn't even bother breeching the doors, I would use a shape charge to make my own door in a wall :D
 
Again, it is far from anything that I would want to have waved around in front of a jury.
 
Kleanbore said:
Again, it is far from anything that I would want to have waved around in front of a jury.
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And why is that?

The Shockwave and Tac14 are 100% legal firearms and no different than using a rifle, regular shotgun, or handgun for home defense.
 
Deanimator said:
It's nothing I either need or want.

Have you noticed that you REALLY want me to own one but I don't CARE if you do?
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I don't care if you own one or at all about your existence really.

I'm just pointing out that you are totally wrong and putting a spotlight on it so other people can learn from your terrible example.
 
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