We have gun laws.....they just need to be enforced.

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Not really sure what to make of this thread. We don't want restrictive gun laws and in fact, Chicago's laws have been relaxed considerably. It's now possible to buy a handgun and carry it concealed in The Windy City.
The murder rate hasn't increased substantially, nor has it decreased. Gun laws seem to have little effect here which isn't surprising as most of our gun laws aren't really restrictive in terms of who can buy what. Firearms are widely available to anyone who is old enough and isn't a felon.

A police officer died doing a dangerous job. The legal system is working as intended.
This is the country we live in and this is the way we have voted for it to be. It's sad but unless we demand substantive change, this is where we're at.
 
Aim1 said:
Unbelievable. He only had a $4,500 bond.

I recently dealt with a woman who was out on bond for 3 separate shootings. She had a $300k bond so she only had to pay $30k to be out. When I dealt with her it was her 4th shooting incident.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-outrage-straw-purchaser-gun-kill-ella-french-released

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If only he were outraged about the literally thousands of others shot in Chicago this year alone (2,773 total, with 2,299 wounded and 474 killed as of this posting).

Or the 4,174 shot in Chicago in 2020 (3,455 wounded, 719 killed)

If you prorate the these numbers from the time he was made the "Top Cop" on 15 April, 2020, that brings the total under his watch alone to 5,738 shot in Chicago (4,752 wounded, 984 killed). Likely this is conservative as the numbers skyrocketed after the COVID shutdowns which commenced in March before he was nominated to the post.

2,754 shot in Chicago in 2019 (2,292 wounded, 463 killed)

2,962 shot in Chicago in 2018 (2,465 wounded, 497 killed)

The list goes on and the numbers add up.


Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and they consistently prove on a daily basis that they don't do squat for the citizens of Chicago.


Statistics as of this posting from this source:

https://heyjackass.com/
 
Ivy Mike said:
Not really sure what to make of this thread. We don't want restrictive gun laws and in fact, Chicago's laws have been relaxed considerably. It's now possible to buy a handgun and carry it concealed in The Windy City.
The murder rate hasn't increased substantially, nor has it decreased. Gun laws seem to have little effect here which isn't surprising as most of our gun laws aren't really restrictive in terms of who can buy what. Firearms are widely available to anyone who is old enough and isn't a felon.

A police officer died doing a dangerous job. The legal system is working as intended.
This is the country we live in and this is the way we have voted for it to be. It's sad but unless we demand substantive change, this is where we're at.
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Chicago is becoming a murderer's paradise. The number of gang murders there - - - especially on weekends - - - makes Iraq and A'Stan look safe by comparison. We voted for this?? I did not. The Mayor of Chicago is completely incompetent and has severely hobbled law enforcement.

I don't know about Chicago's gun laws being relaxed. Purport they're very restrictive atleast on paper, but I sincerely doubt the gang members who commit these murderers walk into Academy Sports shops, fill out 4473s, and carry out legally purchased Glock 19s or Sig Sauers.
 
We need laws, but the error we make is in thinking that just making something illegal will stop it from happening. A critical element is that laws work only with people who don't want to break laws, and fear punishment. As I tried to explain to a relative who is to a large degree anti-gun (even though he owns many guns -- go figure that one) that we could eliminate every gun law on the books and he still would not go out and shoot people. To quote the sheriff in the book No County for Old Men: It takes very little to govern good people, and bad people can't be governed at all. So as enforcement is reduced, illegal activity will increase.
 
Ivy Mike said:
The Windy City.
The murder rate hasn't increased substantially, nor has it decreased.
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Really?

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/chicago-shootings-crime-statistics-july/
For 2021 murders have increased by 138% over 2019.
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Police said of those 2021 murders, 90% were a result of gun violence.

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Overall shootings, however, increased. In 2020, CPD reported 402 shootings, but that number rose to 461 this year. The 461 shootings is a 99% increase over 2019, when police only reported 232 shootings.
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Similar sentiment here

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chicago-ends-2020-769-homicides-gun-violence-surges-75005949
 
It’s not about solving the problem, it’s about serving the agenda.

You don’t want people to kill other people. Eye for an eye, the only chance you have of killing more than one person is if you do it before you are caught for the first offense.

Would work in other places too. You don’t want people to speed? Take their car, zero compensation. You had your rights until the point you broke the rules.

If that was the punishment for the crime would you risk going 5 miles over? I bet not.

Make the system a revolving door where probation and parole are a revenue machine vs a rehabilitation system and you get results like this.
 
jmorris said:
It’s not about solving the problem, it’s about serving the agenda.

You don’t want people to kill other people. Eye for an eye, the only chance you have of killing more than one person is if you do it before you are caught for the first offense.

Would work in other places too. You don’t want people to speed? Take their car, zero compensation. You had your rights until the point you broke the rules.

If that was the punishment for the crime would you risk going 5 miles over? I bet not.

Make the system a revolving door where probation and parole are a revenue machine vs a rehabilitation system and you get results like this.
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That's why in some areas people follow the rules when hunting and fishing. In some areas they will take your gun, your boat and your truck.... they are serious.
 
AK Hunter said:
It's not about the laws we have, it's about enacting new laws that remove the rights of gun owners so more power can be obtained over the population.
They don't care to stop crime, they want to increase crime so they can benefit from it.
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There is some history to that effect. The Marxists attempt to create social disorder and moral corruption in order to break down society. They did that in Russia in the 1917 and attempted it in Germany in the 1930s.

One big difference is that the US has a huge evangelical population. Many of the left have the greatest hatred of those of faith who they see as their greatest enemy
 
It's pretty easy to see how the guns end up in the wrong hands, some mud farmer meets up with a dirt raker with no priors, who feels totally at ease with going in and "illegally" purchasing 6-7-9-10-12-16 firearms and carts them up to the trap house, not the "trap house" we know, a different trap house, and gets paid $$$ or drugs and then the guns eventually get used in a crime and said dirtbag doesn't see any time and the media focus on guns and legal owners to put in the spotlight.

Watch an episode of VICE or Drugs Inc. These guys are brazen and completely undeterred by the legality of it all......
 
Nothing is illegal until you are caught. Get caught play the Sympathy card. Or use your ill gotten gains to hire a good lawyer.
 
danez71 said:
Really?

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/08/01/chicago-shootings-crime-statistics-july/




Similar sentiment here

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chicago-ends-2020-769-homicides-gun-violence-surges-75005949
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Careful cherry picking of monthly data makes these kinds of scary numbers possible. Chicago had an above average number of murders in 2020, but that came after three years of declining numbers. If you put them on a trend line, it's not all that far out of the range. You get the occasional high year and the occasional low year. But by and large, since McDonald v. Chicago, the murder rate hasn't changed much. If anything, the loosening of gun laws in Chicago has correlated with more murders.
But like I said before, gun laws seem to have little effect because we don't actually restrict guns all that heavily. Even if we were to toss out the 2A and start enacting bans, it would likely take 30-50 years to see a substantial number of guns removed from circulation; enough to affect the frequency of their use in a homicide.

You can pick your law enforcement agency and which crimes go on their graph at the bottom. Handy little tool actually.
https://crime-data-explorer.app.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend
 
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