Thoughts on import ban of Russian Ammo and it's impact on reloading?

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Seems to be another panic brewing over this, and some firearms publications are claiming that it will be the end of the world for gun owners. My thoughts are thus:


It will cause another bump in panic buying, albeit temporary. Very temporary. Guns and Ammo claims that Russia provides 40% of the US Ammo market, I think that's a little high, but it is significant, especially among the low cost 9/5.56/7.62 market. I think the panic is unwarranted though. Russians are masters of "war dogging". And business rarely cares what government policy is. All the Russian ammo manufacturers have huge factories outside of Russia. I fully expect them to continue producing ammo inside Russia, and shipping it to other regions that aren't impacted by the ban and repacking it. A Russian and Ukrainian company will happily work together regardless of government policy if they both stand to make a profit. There are thousands of ammo plants throughout E. Europe that will gladly work with Russia and repackage their ammo for a fee. I predict that ultimately, just as much eastern european ammo will make it into the US as pre-ban amounts but under non-Russian labels and the ban will have little impact other than slightly raising the price of steel case ammo, . Same with primers. In the near term, panic buying will kill our fledgling surplus, and we're going to be right back where we were 6 months ago.
 
Yeah I feel like that's about the size of it.

I would love to see someone put up data to show how they keep coming to 40%. 40% of like 7.62x39 I could buy but 40% seems fantastical.

It's incredibly annoying to see prices start to rebound to something like normal and then watch as anything remotely gun adjacent gets itchy and starts working itself into a nice rabid froth.

Was nice to get what ammo I could might see if Walmart still has those .22lr freedom buckets I saw last week. Hate bulk pack .22 but it beats having nothing.
 
Seems to be another panic brewing over this, and some firearms publications are claiming that it will be the end of the world for gun owners. My thoughts are thus:


It will cause another bump in panic buying, albeit temporary. Very temporary. Guns and Ammo claims that Russia provides 40% of the US Ammo market, I think that's a little high, but it is significant, especially among the low cost 9/5.56/7.62 market. I think the panic is unwarranted though. Russians are masters of "war dogging". And business rarely cares what government policy is. All the Russian ammo manufacturers have huge factories outside of Russia. I fully expect them to continue producing ammo inside Russia, and shipping it to other regions that aren't impacted by the ban and repacking it. A Russian and Ukrainian company will happily work together regardless of government policy if they both stand to make a profit. There are thousands of ammo plants throughout E. Europe that will gladly work with Russia and repackage their ammo for a fee. I predict that ultimately, just as much eastern european ammo will make it into the US as pre-ban amounts but under non-Russian labels and the ban will have little impact other than slightly raising the price of steel case ammo, . Same with primers. In the near term, panic buying will kill our fledgling surplus, and we're going to be right back where we were 6 months ago.
Even IF: A) the ban stands; B) the ban does what it is intended to do - punish political thought with economic sanctions; C) the ban does stop NEW import licenses from being issued; AND, D) prevents the renewal of current import licenses when they expire, the impact to us American consumers is two years off, minimum.

I do agree with your theories about panic buying and market exploitation, though.

Frankly I'm a LOT more concerned about skyrocketing copper prices and lead shortages than Russian ammo. You can't make brass without copper and we don't smelt or mine lead in this country anymore.
 
The fact they are saying it is in response to Russia poisoning someone, I don't think Putin is really worried. We will be more affected here. I rarely use steel cases ammo anyways so I'm not too concerned. As mentioned previously, The copper prices going up is more of a concern to me.
 
I think it reprices the floor upward for popular cartridges made by the Russians, stuff like 762x39 and 9 Makarov for sure, but also 9MM, 223, etc. As for reloading supplies, I expect incremental pressure in general from this, but especially in commie cartridges.
 
I'm not an expert in this, but couldn't Russia make the ammo in Russia and just ship it to another county for final crimping and packaging? Or as EricBu says, corrupt Russia will just ship it through a distributor in another county.
I remember my company was thinking we were going to pay a huge tariff due to components made in China, but found out that since our final assembly is in Mexico, we don't owe the tariff.
Most "Made in the USA" is a product of mostly parts made outside of America.
 
I'm not an expert in this, but couldn't Russia make the ammo in Russia and just ship it to another county for final crimping and packaging? Or as EricBu says, corrupt Russia will just ship it through a distributor in another county.
I remember my company was thinking we were going to pay a huge tariff due to components made in China, but found out that since our final assembly is in Mexico, we don't owe the tariff.
Most "Made in the USA" is a product of mostly parts made outside of America.
I don’t think so. This was also discussed in a thread a couple days ago and we saw that the actual sanctions document mentions “manufactured or located in Russia.” So, doesn’t look like they can just move it lest sanctions wouldn’t be sanctions.
 
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