A very strange thing just happened at the range

Stefan A said:

KNOW I put an empty and fired casing in the mag.

Click to expand...

OCCAMS RAZER. No you didn’t. I know you KNOW YOU DID but how many of us would SWEAR that we did or didn’t do something that ends up provably that we did.

Just today my child was asking where the chicken nuggets were as they were not in the fridge. I looked they were not there. They were however on the counter next to the baking pan where she swears she didn’t put them. Well they didn’t magically appear there. Point is our minds play tricks sometimes.

Now I GUESS you could have had some kind of a double eject but how likely is that to have ….
1-Never happened before
2-Not caused some kind of a malfunction.

With out the bullet in place to catch the feed lips, it is possible the empty case got spit up and out while a live round took its place.

from what you describe the only logical thing would be: the empty case probably slide forward in the mag, when it got to the top it flew out.

I agree with hugger4641

I might have missed it, but I didn't see where you said you fired three times, it sounded like you only fired two. To me that would imply that the bottom round pushed out the empty case and the just fired empty case at the same time. Try an experiment and see if you can replicate it.

Stefan A said:

No mind tricks here. I did put an empty casing in the mag.

Click to expand...

Most semi-auto pistols have center rib at the bottom of slide that slides/pushes down on the top round in the magazine (So extracting case rim will clear the bullet nose/case mouth in the magazine ... If you look closely at spent casings, you can see this slide mark on case mouth/neck).

Likely, the empty case moved on the magazine follower and during extraction/ejection of spent case from the chamber, got popped out with magazine spring tension pushing up on the follower.

That's my guess.

So only two shots or was it three?

It must’ve popped out when it cycled after firing, as was stated above.

Stay safe.

I'm with @Hugger-4641 also.
It's just one of those things that trips off the old "weird S***-o-meter". But their is always a reason.

Do it again and take video uncut from mag load to shooting.

Have you tried 'plonking' a spent casing into the chamber of your pistol? I'd be surprised if it fits, or fits easily. Casings expand when they are fired, which is why reloaders first have to resize spent brass.
My 365s will feed a resized, spent casing single loaded in the mag. I'm doubtful it would work with the empty down in the mag stack.
If you want to practice misfire malfs, or do the 'ball and dummy' drill, use snap caps.
Moon

cslinger said:

Just today my child was asking where the chicken nuggets were as they were not in the fridge. I looked they were not there. They were however on the counter next to the baking pan where she swears she didn’t put them. Well they didn’t magically appear there. Point is our minds play tricks sometimes.

Click to expand...

Same thing happens to me with socks sometimes. I KNOW I put my socks in the wash room but, when the laundry is all done, there's my unwashed socks in the bin.

halfmoonclip said:

If you want to practice misfire malfs, or do the 'ball and dummy' drill, use snap caps.

Click to expand...

I use my setup rounds for that. The ones I keep in the die case for resetting the seating die. It's a regular round just like all the others but with blue silicon gel in the primer pocket and no powder charge.

I'd keep quiet about this. I really would.

I have a Gold Cup with 4 magazines. One magazine will occasionally eject a loaded round. As I load five and mentally count shots the slide locking back on four was a puzzle.Thought I either miscounted shots or rounds loaded. Shot 50 rounds cycling through the 4 magazines. Didn’t happen again. Picking up the brass I found the loaded round. Went thru a few hundred rounds before I discovered it was magazine marked with three scratch marks was the culprit.

Poltergeist

Hartkopf said:

Do it again and take video uncut from mag load to shooting.

Click to expand...

This.

If you shoot enough and long enough, it's very
common, known as brahydrextulindium.

John Moses Browning was among the first
to pinpoint this in auto pistols.

This would easily be solved if you'd have counted your shots. 13 round mag. if you fired 6 2 shot groups, the empty probably exited in the manner indicated by Hugger-4641 and others. I also agree with the snap cap or better, a blank, when practicing malfunction drills.

What you describe is weird and I have not experienced this. I don't trust empties to feed!

Now this is silly safari season stuff: I think that the empty was kicked up and out as the slide went back. Lets say that the mouth of the case caught something on the bottom of the slide, tipped up, and then the stack ejected it. I have a pre WW2 22lr bolt gun that had a worn magazine. I would work the bolt, and a round would puke out of the magazine. Only found out by finding a loaded round on the mat. These events happen faster than human perception, so you would not notice unless you counted the cases on the ground.

Cslinger has an excellent point about memory. Human memory sucks. If you study it, humans think in terms of stories and remember in terms of stories. And humans will create a story, rearrange the remembered facts, and add some "facts" to make a coherent story! That is why 100 people can observe the same event and have a 100 different recollections of how it happened. They are not lying, it is their mind creating a coherent story that is different from all the others. And they all believe their story is true. Don't take it personally. Human memory is incredibly unreliable. I should know.

So, can you remember where in the stack you put the empty? Try it again and see if the empty disappears again. Try it until you give up, or it happens.