1911-A1 SLIDE AND CALIBER SWITCH

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I am currently helping with a large inventory of items left behind by a wonderful old man who had been an avid shooter, fisherman, explorer and conservationist his entire life. He had been doing well until claimed by the <edited> virus at age 88.

Within his collection is a full frame Springfield Armory 1911A1 G. I. Series pistol ...only the curious thing, it is chambered for 9mm Luger and not .45 The old man who had a serious wood working hobby, built a beautiful hard case for this piece, which he often took to the range. The case holds an additional slide, barrel, bushing, recoil springs and magazines -- for the .45ACP caliber, which he had also used on this frame.

To complicate matters, there is an additional barrel, with bushing, for 38 Super.

I was told the old man would shoot both 9mm and 45 from the same gun just by popping off the slide with the parts above, and on rare occasions also shoot 38 Super.

Am I understanding, and being told, correctly? His grandson said he had an instruction sheet explaining the switch, but we've found nothing. We are in the process of applying labels, cards and descriptions to his personal collection, which is quite the effort.

Thanks for any information on the switch. We are very familiar with slide removal and stripping during cleaning, but not with changing calibers.
 
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Yes, what you describe would work just fine. It would also require a magazine change too. Substituting the 38 Super barrel into the 9mm slide would allow that cartridge to be fired also. Again likely with a magazine change, all though he might have been feeding 9mm from the 38 Super magazines, they are basically the same except the 9mm magazine frequently have a spacer to control the shorter rounds.
 
In production guns, only the ejector on the frame is different (9mm ejector sits closer to the centerline to contact the smaller 9mm/38 Super case head).
So, there would need to be some mod to the ejector to use the same one for both slides.
I think the feed ramp can be the same, but the barrels would need to share the same design (either ramped barrels or not ramped).
 
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The 9mm and .38Super share the same slide and extractor.
The entire frame face opening is wider on the .45. The hood of the barrel fits into the slide slot so a .45bbl won’t fit into a 9mm slide.

If you sell, the entire set should be kept together. The slide would have been fitted to the frame so likely won’t fit another frame without gunsmith fitting.
 
Unless these are ramped barrels, isn't the frame ramp different between 9mm/.38 Super and .45 Auto?
 
Frame ramps are specific to a “pattern”.
Ie: Wilson-Nowlin use one pattern; ParaOrdnance-Clark use another.

Hence, the recommendation to sell as a “Matched set”.
Re read the op.
 
A SA 9mm has an integral ramp barrel, Wilson/Nowlin pattern, a similar .38 barrel would be no problem.
Integral ramp .45 barrels are a horse of a different color but can be had.
 
I recall an article in Guns and Ammo many years ago where the author made a 5 in 1 Colt 1911. Started with a Colt Government in .38 Super, added a .22 LR conversion kit and a 9mm. barrel assembly. He then found that a Colt Commander slide and barrel assembly in .45 ACP would fit on the Government frame. Last cartridge would be the 38/45 Clerke.

I have always started with a .38 Super Colt Combat Commander or a Commander Model and added a 9mm. barrel assembly with 9mm. magazines. Works perfectly and saves on ammo costs.
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Frame ramps are specific to a “pattern”.
Ie: Wilson-Nowlin use one pattern; ParaOrdnance-Clark use another.

Hence, the recommendation to sell as a “Matched set”.
Re read the op.
There is nothing in the OP's post that says if the barrels are ramped.

A SA 9mm has an integral ramp barrel, ...
However, if this is the case, that would answer the question.
 
There is nothing in the OP's post that says if the barrels are ramped.


However, if this is the case, that would answer the question.

Yup, sorry about that detail -- all three barrels are ramped and fitted to this frame.

There is no doubt that the work was done by a professional, and late yesterday we found paperwork on a 45 barrel wrapping that listed a gunsmith called Big Bore Custom in nearby Phoenix. We got all excited and drove down only to be told by a mall management company rep that Big Bore have been out of biz for years. We plan on shooting this pistol over the weekend.

I plan on doing some research in to ramped barrels now ...all new to me.
 
I recall an article in Guns and Ammo many years ago where the author made a 5 in 1 Colt 1911. Started with a Colt Government in .38 Super, added a .22 LR conversion kit and a 9mm. barrel assembly. He then found that a Colt Commander slide and barrel assembly in .45 ACP would fit on the Government frame. Last cartridge would be the 38/45 Clerke.

I have always started with a .38 Super Colt Combat Commander or a Commander Model and added a 9mm. barrel assembly with 9mm. magazines. Works perfectly and saves on ammo costs.
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Great looking Colt -- I always liked the original profile over the so-called "enhanced" version.
 
It's always a shame to lose anyone from our community, and that he had such taste in firearms tells me that he woulda been a good one to know.

Like was mentioned above, stipulate that the whole rig stays together, since that's how it was intended.

And post pictures of the thing for cryin' out loud!
 
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Great looking Colt -- I always liked the original profile over the so-called "enhanced" version.

Thanks! For some inane reason I have always preferred the slightly more compact dimensions of the Combat Commander/Commander in .38 Super than I did in the full size Government.

And I go with the .38 Super because it's a fun cartridge to play with and that the shorter ejector will work with the 9mm. as well. So all you need is a complete 9mm. barrel assembly and dedicated 9mm. mags and you're all set to go with your Two In One Gun.
 
I think .38 Super is the better round for the long action, but picking up and sorting out the empties is a chore. I had two 9mm-.38 combinations and the .38 barrels did not get out much.
 
It's always a shame to lose anyone from our community, and that he had such taste in firearms tells me that he woulda been a good one to know.

Like was mentioned above, stipulate that the whole rig stays together, since that's how it was intended.

And post pictures of the thing for cryin' out loud![/QUOTE]

I've been sending this link around so that friends can share my mirth at this new reality. And new reality has hit me hard. I never intended or wanted to be an appraiser but for months I have been helping to conduct inventories of firearms (among other hardware) once owned by country gentlemen in our village.

I plan to take numerous photos and will post what's allowed when the owners give permission. Many items I have found amazing, requiring dedicated research, so I am always thankful for the advice and knowledge so freely shared here..

This rig will stay as one in the case the old man constructed from a huge mesquite tree that went down in his yard a few decades ago.
 
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I think .38 Super is the better round for the long action, but picking up and sorting out the empties is a chore. I had two 9mm-.38 combinations and the .38 barrels did not get out much.
I'm the exact opposite, but that's only because I had to buy it in 9mm to get the gun I wanted, then switched it to 38 Super.

ETA...my CM 38 Super mags feed 9mm just as flawlessly, so I only switch barrels and recoil springs when I go back and forth.
 
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> ejector centerline

Some manufacturers made .45 slides with slots to fit frames with the ejectors in the .38 Super/9mm position. That let them use one frame and ejector for all the calibers.

Real Colt feed ramps are different between .38 Super and .45, but even "high quality" copies are all over the place.
 
I have a RIA 1911 9MM, I have bought a 45 slide, barrel, ejector and clips to change back and forth, works awesome...can change back and forth in approximately same time as a field strip session... 20200202_085620.jpg
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Currently... my only and favorite 1911
 
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