Why is my arm bruised and not my shoulder ??

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So 2 days ago i shot my ww2 german double barrel side by side that i repaired. Its a 16ga but that thing had mad recoil and i didnt have a recoil pad. Just the stock and hard rubber pad it cane with.

Im watching videos my friend recorded of me shooting it.. and i deff placed it on my shoulder.. i still feel it too, its sore. But my arm is what got bruised ???

Here is a picture.

Why is my arm bruised ?? I never placed the gun on my arm ever.. Is this normal ?

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https://youtube.com/shorts/gC5lbcgJ6h0?feature=share.

Here is a youtube shorts video of me pulling both triggers.. wasnt exoecting that much recoil so i alnost lost the gun lol.. held it better the 2nd and 3rd time... and yes it was against my arm.. Im just fat and the recoil pushed in me pretty good. It looks like it wasnt against me but i assure you it was lol

But the gun was against my shoulder between the arm pit area. But above it of course. It was never on my arm itself. Do i need to pull it even closer to my colar bone ?
 
I mean did i hold the gun too close to my arm or no ? I dont think i did... the bruise is like 3 inchs away from where i actually hold it. My arm hurts between my arm pit on top of the shoulder.. not where th3 bruise is.. its strange lol.

35 aint old !!! Hah
 
candymancan said:
Why is my arm bruised ?? I never placed the gun on my arm ever.. Is this normal?
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Bruising occurs when small/microscopic blood vessels/capillary bed tear or rupture oozing blood into surrounding tissue.

Stock's point of contact with shoulder, if firmly held may have minimized tissue movement to prevent vessel tear/rupture but recoil shock wave may have traveled to arm where tissue movement resulted in the bruise.

I am comfortable shooting 12 ga shotgun for many rounds but when I shot my friend's 10 ga shotgun, I felt body parts move that I did not experience with 12 ga including movement of my brain that caused a momentary blurred vision. Yeah, shock wave.
 
I can't really answer why you're arm is bruised, but I figure this will be part of it:

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me pulling both triggers..
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Now, I do remember in your previous post when you bought the old girl, that the stock was cracked down the wrist; doing what you did above will crack it again, so please STOP!!!! Those old guns were never, ever, ever meant to have both barrels go off at the same time. The forces on the wood and steel are far more extreme than they were ever intended to take, and your gun will be utterly useless if you keep it up. Most likely the stock will split again; if it manages to hold then you'll notice that the lever will be to the left of the tang and the lock up will be loose. At that point, the gun is off the face and will have to be repaired by a professional who specializes in Side by Side guns, at a cost that will exceed what the gun is worth. So please, save your gun and your shoulder, only fire one barrel at a time!

Mac
 
Bruises result from ruptured small blood vessels leaking blood into the surrounding tissue. This leaked blood can migrate to other nearby parts of the body before it rises to the surface and manifests itself in the form of a bruise. You could easily have had the underlying injury to the shoulder, but the bruise appeared on the arm.
 
AlexanderA said:
You could easily have had the underlying injury to the shoulder, but the bruise appeared on the arm.
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Yes, could be dependent hematoma. But if that was the case, we should have seen some bruising at the shoulder with "pooling" hematoma/bruising affected by gravity.

Maybe OP slept on stomach? :D
 
MacAR said:
I can't really answer why you're arm is bruised, but I figure this will be part of it:



Now, I do remember in your previous post when you bought the old girl, that the stock was cracked down the wrist; doing what you did above will crack it again, so please STOP!!!! Those old guns were never, ever, ever meant to have both barrels go off at the same time. The forces on the wood and steel are far more extreme than they were ever intended to take, and your gun will be utterly useless if you keep it up. Most likely the stock will split again; if it manages to hold then you'll notice that the lever will be to the left of the tang and the lock up will be loose. At that point, the gun is off the face and will have to be repaired by a professional who specializes in Side by Side guns, at a cost that will exceed what the gun is worth. So please, save your gun and your shoulder, only fire one barrel at a time!

Mac
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Plus one.
I learned this the hard way when goose hunting. I acquired the bad habit of using both fingers when shooting clays. This followed me into partridge hunting without issue. When I tried doing it goose hunting. I got the worst simulation of a hangfire I've ever felt. I found a small crack in the wrist shortly after that.
That forever cured me of fingers in the trigger guard unless I want it to go bang immediately.
 
Might be migrating blood as others said. I've had rotator cuff surgery both shoulders. One was clean looking after. The other I had blood and bruising like yours down to my elbow. Really looked nasty, Even the nurses and doc were surprised on the follow up.
 
MacAR said:
I can't really answer why you're arm is bruised, but I figure this will be part of it:



Now, I do remember in your previous post when you bought the old girl, that the stock was cracked down the wrist; doing what you did above will crack it again, so please STOP!!!! Those old guns were never, ever, ever meant to have both barrels go off at the same time. The forces on the wood and steel are far more extreme than they were ever intended to take, and your gun will be utterly useless if you keep it up. Most likely the stock will split again; if it manages to hold then you'll notice that the lever will be to the left of the tang and the lock up will be loose. At that point, the gun is off the face and will have to be repaired by a professional who specializes in Side by Side guns, at a cost that will exceed what the gun is worth. So please, save your gun and your shoulder, only fire one barrel at a time!

Mac
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I mainly did both barrels because well i always wanted too.. and also i figured that would have been the ultimate test on my fix to see how it would hold. And it held up fine. Didnt even start to split again thats mainly why i did it a couple of times. I wont do it again though. It was mainly just to do it because you always wanted and to check the strength of the repair.

Kinda like when they proof stamp these guns they do it with a 30% higher charge than normal
 
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LiveLife said:
Bruising occurs when small/microscopic blood vessels/capillary bed tear or rupture oozing blood into surrounding tissue.

Stock's point of contact with shoulder, if firmly held may have minimized tissue movement to prevent vessel tear/rupture but recoil shock wave may have traveled to arm where tissue movement resulted in the bruise.

I am comfortable shooting 12 ga shotgun for many rounds but when I shot my friend's 10 ga shotgun, I felt body parts move that I did not experience with 12 ga including movement of my brain that caused a momentary blurred vision. Yeah, shock wave.
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Well both triggers on a 16ga would be equivalent to an 8ga. If there were such a thing, the rounds i have are 3.5 dram equiv so pretty strong as well. Thats probably another reason why even with 1 shot at a time the 16ga hurts way more than my 590 12ga mossberg. Well the mossberg has a nice factory rocoil pad too but still.

Lever isnt to the left its fine, and ive seen videos by a old english gunsmith in how to repair this if it ever happens.. Id fix it myself. Just like i fixed the broken trigger levers and the safety spring. And the stock.


I do everything myself. Its been 17 years since ive had anyone fix anything for me. Be it house repairs. Cars. Or anything. Im the type to rebuild my own car engine. Or learn to weld and repair rust properly. You should see the classic car i restored by myself bottom up. Im not your average Joe who doesnt have the skill set or mindset to do things like this.

But i hear you.. I wont do both again. Again it mainly was to see if my repairs would hold and they did, the gun is ok. Remember alot of people said it couldnt be fixed when i mentioned i called around. And i did it in 3 days.. and it held up to 30 shots including both barrels twice. Well see how it holds up in the future though, but ill be sure to stay with lead bird shot and one barrel at a time
 
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Scooter22 said:
Might be migrating blood as others said. I've had rotator cuff surgery both shoulders. One was clean looking after. The other I had blood and bruising like yours down to my elbow. Really looked nasty, Even the nurses and doc were surprised on the follow up.
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This is what i was thinking.. blood that moved from the actual injury.
 
Just a guess...
The movement of your rear upper arm might have pulled the upper inner arm enough to break some small vessels.
 
Guess im an idiot HAHA. I could say people jumping out of air planes are idiots but they do it anyway ? You only live once. If you have the gun why not do it once or twice..

Plus youre calling yourself an idiot by admitting you did it lol
 
Jumping with parachutes out of perfectly functioning airplanes? Insanity!
The only reason to jump with a parachute from an airplane is if the airplane is no longer flyable.
There is a huge divide between crazy US Army Airborne and sane US Air Force on that one.

"Plus you're calling yourself an idiot by admitting you did it lol"
Well as PeeWee Herman once said, "I know I am, but what are you?"
(I did prove I could do it if I had to, especially if the alternative was becoming bear poop.)
Officially I say don't do it: you could hurt yourself or break the gun.
I wasn't hurt too bad, and the Baikal Bounty Hunter took it. I had sought but failed to find a Savage Stevens 311R.
 
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Here is a youtube shorts video of me pulling both triggers..
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Gun slid over onto your arm.

Pulling both triggers.... I made that mistake with a double barrel 12 gauge the first time I ever shot one, figured if my finger was on the second trigger I could fire the second barrel more quickly. Well, that part was correct.
 
Can't tell you how many times I've wound up with an awful looking bruise down my forearm almost to my wrist from giving blood. Some newbie phlebotomist runs that needle right through the vein in my inner elbow, and two days later I have this purple, yellow ridiculous bruise that migrates down my arm. Those blood vessels in your shoulder will leak down your arm for sure
 
Gravity. The damage may be further up, but non circulating blood will flow down. I pulled a hamstring years ago playing men's league softball. The tear was upper hamstring and I had no visible damage initially. A couple of days later the area behind my knee was black.
 
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