Ordered a new Hi-Point C9

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Yes, I know some of you are groaning right now and wondering why I'm wasting my money.

I'm not, did a boatload of research first and the vast majority of fixes are simply a time and minimal elbow grease investment. The biggest issue are actually the magazines and that's a fairly simple fix to eliminate the drop nose issue which is the primary reason for all the feed failures. While it will never be a competition level sidearm it can be made quite reliable .

And yes, it's ugly as sin..........

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You'll get no groaning from me. A company whose customer service is above excellent. A company that cares more about the people that purchased and own their firearms than most firearm companies. A company that has provided a self defense weapon that even the poorest of American's can afford. A company that makes it entire product line here in the USA and uses only American resources. A company that actually cares about its employees from the bottom to the top, pays them a very good wage and provides benefits that make the families and their employees live a better life. A company that is actually run and owned with compassion instead of greed. I wish that all American companies would operate the way that Hi-Point does.
 
Nice Yeet Cannon! I have an old beater Hi Point in .380, it's never missed a beat. We (wife and I) now keep it in a drawer in our kitchen that is by the side door on our house just in case. I trust it to go bang if it's ever needed.
 
brunowbe said:
Nice Yeet Cannon! I have an old beater Hi Point in .380, it's never missed a beat. We (wife and I) now keep it in a drawer in our kitchen that is by the side door on our house just in case. I trust it to go bang if it's ever needed.
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I'm getting the 9mm version. The mags are made supposedly for use in the .380 and 9 mil, therein lies the problem for 9 mil shooters. While the mags work very well for the .380 the design itself is problematical for the 9 mil. Some adjustments to the front feed tabs and to the spring fixes the problem. The other easily fixed problems are cleaning up the rough surfaces the make the trigger somewhat crunchy, the feed ramp (it's powder coated and shouldn't be) and the part that holds the back of the slide on, specifically the channels are also powder coated and need to be smoothed out.
 
I have one, it’s ugly but I can shoot it great and it never fails. It’s my varmint in the barn gun. Look up(How tough is a Hi-point Demolition Ranch on YouTube).They try everything to destroy one.
 
Barnfixer said:
I have one, it’s ugly but I can shoot it great and it never fails. It’s my varmint in the barn gun. Look up(How tough is a Hi-point Demolition Ranch on YouTube).They try everything to destroy one.
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I've seen others where the Hi-point was put through some torture tests and had feed problems. Most likely the magazine though and not the gun itself except when one guy threw it against a rock, broken trigger mechanism and a couple of other broken internal parts. But hey, what would you expect from a gun made with a cast metal slide and stamped sheet metal parts.
 
What's the street price on these things?

I've always thought of it like a cell phone. When you add up the monthly expenses over the lifetime of a smartphone, spending an extra couple hundred bucks up front to get the newest iPhone just makes sense to me because it's not much more in the scheme of things. With a pistol your ongoing cost is ammo, but if you're only saving $100-200 on the gun why not just get an M&P or Glock instead and have a vastly better handgun for not much more money? Especially on something like a gun where the shelf life likely exceeds your own.

Not trying to dog OP, just my two cents.
 
IdaD said:
What's the street price on these things?

I've always thought of it like a cell phone. When you add up the monthly expenses over the lifetime of a smartphone, spending an extra couple hundred bucks up front to get the newest iPhone just makes sense to me because it's not much more in the scheme of things. With a pistol your ongoing cost is ammo, but if you're only saving $100-200 on the gun why not just get an M&P or Glock instead and have a vastly better handgun for not much more money? Especially on something like a gun where the shelf life likely exceeds your own.

Not trying to dog OP, just my two cents.
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M&P is nice but not what I want. As for Glock you cant give me a Glock, not because they're bad sidearms, just the opposite. For me it's the ergonomics, it's like holding onto a 2x4 with a barrel attached to it. That leads to my next observation, as with everything guns develop a reputation based on personal experience or second and third hand hearsay. There's nothing wrong with Hi-Points that can't be easily remedied if indeed the one you own has some problems and they will outlast the owner. So don't rely on second and third hand hearsay from people who really don't know what they are talking about.
 
I have shot more Hi-Points then I can count. I’ve shot them in like new condition to pulled out of the sewer after soaking there for weeks. The ones that were the hardest to get working were the Chicken Grease ones. Those are the ones coated with cooking grease and hidden under houses. Ain’t nothing worse then a Hi-Point that smells like fried Turkey wings.:barf:
While working at the state crime lab, I became the go to guy to get the messed up cheap guns to function. I also taught other examiners how to work on them.
You have to give Hi-Point credit. They build a cheap gun that works. There are so few parts to break, is one reason the keep shooting. Just don’t loose the right grip panel, then you will have problems. I’ve shot many that had duct tape holding the grips together and even a few that tape was used to hold the magazine in place.
Tom Deebs is the man that made Hi-Point what it is today. It’s sad that he passed away a few years ago. I know and have meet many people 5hat personal knew and worked with Tom. Tom was a T-shirt and blue jeans type of guy but he did a lot to help identify any of his guns that might be used in a crime. Bullets and cartridge cases fired from a Hi-Point are the easiest to match back to the gun. This is due to Tom. All of the barrels have a left hand twist and odd number of land and groves. The breach face of each slide is sanded with a tiny belt sander so that no two can mark the same. If you have a Hi-Point, pull back the slide and look at the firing pin aperture (that’s the hole the firing pin pokes through to strike the prime.) you will see that it has been sanded there.
For those that think the Glock safe action is an unsafe system, don’t take a close look inside of a Hi-Point.:rofl:
I was talking to someone that knew Tom very well. Tom told her that they ended up getting some not so good quality steel barrel tube to make barrels with. Tom said that they knew that the refiling would wear too fast but they used it anyway. When she asked why, Tom said that it the gun was ever sent back he would just replace it, which would be cheaper then replacing the barrel stock. He also told her that most people just don’t return broken or worn out guns.
I remember shooting a C9 Hi-Point that had no rifling in the barrel. When I recovered the bullets from the test fire tank, the bullets looked like they had been sanded with 80 grit sand paper.
Having a Hi-Point is like having a very good but ugly girlfriend, she might be good but you don’t want your friends to see you out with her.
Enjoy your new gun. Shoot it till the cows come home. If it ever breaks or wears out, just send it back to the factory and they will replace it 95% of the time.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I have shot more Hi-Points then I can count. I’ve shot them in like new condition to pulled out of the sewer after soaking there for weeks. The ones that were the hardest to get working were the Chicken Grease ones. Those are the ones coated with cooking grease and hidden under houses. Ain’t nothing worse then a Hi-Point that smells like fried Turkey wings.:barf:
While working at the state crime lab, I became the go to guy to get the messed up cheap guns to function. I also taught other examiners how to work on them.
You have to give Hi-Point credit. They build a cheap gun that works. There are so few parts to break, is one reason the keep shooting. Just don’t loose the right grip panel, then you will have problems. I’ve shot many that had duct tape holding the grips together and even a few that tape was used to hold the magazine in place.
Tom Deebs is the man that made Hi-Point what it is today. It’s sad that he passed away a few years ago. I know and have meet many people 5hat personal knew and worked with Tom. Tom was a T-shirt and blue jeans type of guy but he did a lot to help identify any of his guns that might be used in a crime. Bullets and cartridge cases fired from a Hi-Point are the easiest to match back to the gun. This is due to Tom. All of the barrels have a left hand twist and odd number of land and groves. The breach face of each slide is sanded with a tiny belt sander so that no two can mark the same. If you have a Hi-Point, pull back the slide and look at the firing pin aperture (that’s the hole the firing pin pokes through to strike the prime.) you will see that it has been sanded there.
For those that think the Glock safe action is an unsafe system, don’t take a close look inside of a Hi-Point.:rofl:
I was talking to someone that knew Tom very well. Tom told her that they ended up getting some not so good quality steel barrel tube to make barrels with. Tom said that they knew that the refiling would wear too fast but they used it anyway. When she asked why, Tom said that it the gun was ever sent back he would just replace it, which would be cheaper then replacing the barrel stock. He also told her that most people just don’t return broken or worn out guns.
I remember shooting a C9 Hi-Point that had no rifling in the barrel. When I recovered the bullets from the test fire tank, the bullets looked like they had been sanded with 80 grit sand paper.
Having a Hi-Point is like having a very good but ugly girlfriend, she might be good but you don’t want your friends to see you out with her.
Enjoy your new gun. Shoot it till the cows come home. If it ever breaks or wears out, just send it back to the factory and they will replace it 95% of the time.
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One of the reasons I went with it.
 
kje54 said:
M&P is nice but not what I want. As for Glock you cant give me a Glock, not because they're bad sidearms, just the opposite. For me it's the ergonomics, it's like holding onto a 2x4 with a barrel attached to it. That leads to my next observation, as with everything guns develop a reputation based on personal experience or second and third hand hearsay. There's nothing wrong with Hi-Points that can't be easily remedied if indeed the one you own has some problems and they will outlast the owner. So don't rely on second and third hand hearsay from people who really don't know what they are talking about.
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Don’t put yourself into the McDonald’s Happy Meal toy collector’s club. Those are the guy that will say and do anything to justify buying the cheapest stuff.
Just face the fact that you have bought one of the cheapest firearms on the market that actually will function as it should. By putting down guns that are far superior in quality, material and workmanship and functionality, will only show others that you really don’t know what you are talking about.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
Don’t put yourself into the McDonald’s Happy Meal toy collector’s club. Those are the guy that will say and do anything to justify buying the cheapest stuff.
Just face the fact that you have bought one of the cheapest firearms on the market that actually will function as it should. By putting down guns that are far superior in quality, material and workmanship and functionality, will only show others that you really don’t know what you are talking about.
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I'm not putting down any of those guns. As you can see I was relating my personal dislike of Glock ergonomics in my hands not the function of a very finely made, proven firearm. As for my purchasing the cheapest made pistol on the market well that was something I wanted to try. As for the vast majority of my collection they're definitively not Happy Meal toys.
 
kje54 said:
I'm not putting down any of those guns. As you can see I was relating my personal dislike of Glock ergonomics in my hands not the function of a very finely made, proven firearm. As for my purchasing the cheapest made pistol on the market well that was something I wanted to try. As for the vast majority of my collection they're definitively not Happy Meal toys.
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I was not coming down on you, just good advice in a joking way.
I have shot more guns in the last seven years then many of the members here have shot in their entire lives. But this still doesn’t make me an expert, I just have a lot more firsthand knowledge. I remember the first time I shot a VP9. A friend of mine, who was a firearms instructor for the state police, SWAT member and instructor, and retired state trooper of 25 years, had just bought it. Boy did that gun have a spongy trigger. My friend called it a Glock with lipstick. After a few months he sold it. I ended up shooting several more VP9s over that year and found that all the others had very good triggers. I ended up buying one.
Part of fun of owning a firearm is learning it’s high and low points and mastering it to the best of your abilities. Plus it’s always nice to upgrade now and then. And you don’t always have to get rid of your old guns.
 
8 years ago I had no idea what a Hi Point was, over that time I've come to respect them for what they are. No, I wouldn't carry the pistol for near any reason, but to shoot something at the range, for a nightstand gun, for a stash gun in my super secret safehouse out in the woods... yeah, they're a perfect fit for those roles.

That said, there are better options for a 9mm that aren't much more money. I mean, if you can get a Ruger EC9s for $200, it's way better than a C9 at $150. Where that changes is the .45 Hi Point, yes, a larger pistol, but for the caliber you're not going to get a .45 that holds as many rounds or holds up to +P loads like the Hi Point does at the price it sells for.

The 10mm carbine is on my get list.

I don't think anyone can go wrong getting a Hi Point (except if it's a .380) just work within its strengths and try not to expose its weaknesses.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
I was not coming down on you, just good advice in a joking way.
I have shot more guns in the last seven years then many of the members here have shot in their entire lives. But this still doesn’t make me an expert, I just have a lot more firsthand knowledge. I remember the first time I shot a VP9. A friend of mine, who was a firearms instructor for the state police, SWAT member and instructor, and retired state trooper of 25 years, had just bought it. Boy did that gun have a spongy trigger. My friend called it a Glock with lipstick. After a few months he sold it. I ended up shooting several more VP9s over that year and found that all the others had very good triggers. I ended up buying one.
Part of fun of owning a firearm is learning it’s high and low points and mastering it to the best of your abilities. Plus it’s always nice to upgrade now and then. And you don’t always have to get rid of your old guns.
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Before I bought my SAR 9 I researched them and discovered they are possibly one of the most tested guns on the planet. I really like the fact that they had taken the Glock upper, apparently improving upon it and attached it to a VP9 grip for about half the price, I love it.
 
TTv2 said:
8 years ago I had no idea what a Hi Point was, over that time I've come to respect them for what they are. No, I wouldn't carry the pistol for near any reason, but to shoot something at the range, for a nightstand gun, for a stash gun in my super secret safehouse out in the woods... yeah, they're a perfect fit for those roles.

That said, there are better options for a 9mm that aren't much more money. I mean, if you can get a Ruger EC9s for $200, it's way better than a C9 at $150. Where that changes is the .45 Hi Point, yes, a larger pistol, but for the caliber you're not going to get a .45 that holds as many rounds or holds up to +P loads like the Hi Point does at the price it sells for.

The 10mm carbine is on my get list.

I don't think anyone can go wrong getting a Hi Point (except if it's a .380) just work within its strengths and try not to expose its weaknesses.
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Take a guest why the Hi-Point 380 is called the CF 380. Good old Tom have to that name. He said that they had so much trouble getting it right, making it reliable that the name CF 380 was the best name for it. Here’s a hint the C stands for Cluster. :rofl: This is a true story.
 
kje54 said:
Before I bought my SAR 9 I researched them and discovered they are possibly one of the most tested guns on the planet. I really like the fact that they had taken the Glock upper, apparently improving upon it and attached it to a VP9 grip for about half the price, I love it.
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Not really a Glock upper. The Hipoint is a straight blowback operated gun with a fixed barrel, while the Glock has a tilting barrel design
 
I like the Hi-Point rifles, but have not had the same luck with their pistols. The latter seems to jam more... don't know why that is, as I believe they share identical actions.

Plus you can deal with a bulky rifle more easily than with a bulky pistol. The Hi-Point's flaws just seem magnified in the handgun form.

Agreed that you should not elbow grease them, or at least lower expectations for it. They are firearms that really weren't meant to be opened up even for cleaning. I enjoy Bubba'ing crappy guns in general, and slapped some ghost ring sights on my Hi-Point 45 just because they were lying there in the box, but that is more for my entertainment than for performance improvements. You're never going to polish a pot-metal blowback into a Glock.
 
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Mosin Bubba said:
I like the Hi-Point rifles, but have not had the same luck with their pistols. The latter seems to jam more... don't know why that is, as I believe they share identical actions.

Plus you can deal with a bulky rifle more easily than with a bulky pistol. The Hi-Point's flaws just seem magnified in the handgun form.

Agreed that you should not elbow grease them, or at least lower expectations for it. They are firearms that really weren't meant to be opened up even for cleaning. I enjoy Bubba'ing crappy guns in general, and slapped some ghost ring sights on my Hi-Point 45 just because they were lying there in the box, but that is more for my entertainment than for performance improvements. You're never going to polish a pot-metal blowback into a Glock.
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The feed issues are mag related, there's a gunsmith who has a video on fixing the mags to eliminate that problem, another guy covers the gun in detail, how it's made and what will fix any other problems that might be present. I have no illusions that this will become a high end shooter, simply a fun plinker gun when I'm done with it if I have to do anything to fix on it.
 
I bought one years ago just to see what was what with them. I only shot cheap factory ammo and lead bullet reloads in and it never glitched. I eventually traded in on another gun. Now I have another to play with, a gift from my #1 grandson. Yes, they are clunky and ugly but it's fun to shoot at the range and I can ring just about as much steel with it as I can with my much more expensive handguns just as I could with the first one. It hasn't had any glitches either. I did modify that heavy trigger pull.
 
Hi Points are good guns, but..........their magazines really suck, ask me how I know......I have 7 Hi Point oem factory mags, that constantly jam.... sent them back and got them replaced 3 times, same issue...
 
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