The gun that “allegedly” killed Billy the Kid

dodo bird · Aug 29, 2021

So reading this short article it was bought anonymously for over 6 million. I have to assume that someone on the THR bought it. So we will expect a range report soon.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/450236/gun-that-killed-billy-the-kid-sells-for-world-record-nz8m

SquidBubble · Aug 29, 2021

I decided to buy it after finding some loose change underneath a couch cushion. I think I'll get a red dot mounted on it.

Oldschool shooter · Aug 29, 2021

SquidBubble said:
I decided to buy it after finding some loose change underneath a couch cushion. I think I'll get a red dot mounted on it.

dogtown tom · Aug 29, 2021

$6 million?
I wonder what I could get for my Hi Power that killed John Dillinger.

Slamfire · Aug 29, 2021

I was curious as to the provenance of the Billy the Kid gun.

El Paso Times article establishing that Mrs Garett got the pistol back from the Saloon that had it on display

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...-will-be-returned-to-garretts-widow/31521121/

This is the Coney Island Saloon, (the owner obviously thought the name would be a drawing point in El Paso!) which Ms Garrett had to sue to get the pistol back.

https://www.facebook.com/LostElPaso...ner-of-sheldon-oregon-street/570471359748342/

https://truewestmagazine.com/the-gun-collector/

Here is the auction house

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27262/

Provenance is everything. The Pat Garett gun had a solid enough provenance to be worth $6 million. I really don't know how they established that the pistol was the one Pat Garrett left to the Saloon owner. The original could have walked off, and been replaced with something close. The buyer should have established that before spending $6 million for the pistol.

Now this one, was "attributed", and only sold for $64,350.

An historic Colt single action army revolver attributed to famed outlaw William H. 'Billy the Kid' Bonney

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16016/lot/2120/

I did read Pat Garrett's book about Billy the Kid, and after the shooting, Pat wrote about the National attention the shooting received. And how many people he met that made claims of having faced down Billy the Kid, etc. Given the publicity and the notoriety (there were dime novels about the Kid) I would consider any story about a Billy the Kid gun, stored in a tree, to be a fish story. Someone though, paid $64,000 for it.

NIGHTLORD40K · Aug 29, 2021

It was me, I needed a SAA anyway, so I figured this would be killing two birds with one stone....

Yes, Im going to shoot it- and CCW it.

230RN · Aug 30, 2021

OTA TV DENVER NEWS CH 31.1 5:55 AM

Short piece on that gun, showing it off with white gloves. "The gun Pat Garrett took off one of the gang and later shot Billy the Kid with." (A paraquote.)

They also mentioned the successful bid was taken by phone.

Not a great photo, but gives you the idea.

https://indianwire.in/wp-content/up...us-Billy-the-Kid-Auctioned-for-Rs-768x432.png

Jim Watson · Aug 30, 2021

That auction had a lot of guns attributed to historical figures. Did a wealthy collector die?

Robert · Aug 30, 2021

If your post disappeared it is because you contributed nothing of value to the thread and placed it in danger of being closed.

dodo bird · Aug 30, 2021

Slamfire said:
I was curious as to the provenance of the Billy the Kid gun.

El Paso Times article establishing that Mrs Garett got the pistol back from the Saloon that had it on display

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...-will-be-returned-to-garretts-widow/31521121/

This is the Coney Island Saloon, (the owner obviously thought the name would be a drawing point in El Paso!) which Ms Garrett had to sue to get the pistol back.

https://www.facebook.com/LostElPaso...ner-of-sheldon-oregon-street/570471359748342/

https://truewestmagazine.com/the-gun-collector/

Here is the auction house

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27262/

Provenance is everything. The Pat Garett gun had a solid enough provenance to be worth $6 million. I really don't know how they established that the pistol was the one Pat Garrett left to the Saloon owner. The original could have walked off, and been replaced with something close. The buyer should have established that before spending $6 million for the pistol.

Now this one, was "attributed", and only sold for $64,350.

An historic Colt single action army revolver attributed to famed outlaw William H. 'Billy the Kid' Bonney

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16016/lot/2120/

I did read Pat Garrett's book about Billy the Kid, and after the shooting, Pat wrote about the National attention the shooting received. And how many people he met that made claims of having faced down Billy the Kid, etc. Given the publicity and the notoriety (there were dime novels about the Kid) I would consider any story about a Billy the Kid gun, stored in a tree, to be a fish story. Someone though, paid $64,000 for it.

Thanks for the post. I suppose if I wanted to buy a “shooter”. This would be the closest to what he supposedly carried?
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-sa-army-45lc-75-ccbl-6rd-double-eagle-comp-grip-5473

Slamfire · Aug 31, 2021

dodo bird said:
Thanks for the post. I suppose if I wanted to buy a “shooter”. This would be the closest to what he supposedly carried?
https://www.colt.com/detail-page/colt-sa-army-45lc-75-ccbl-6rd-double-eagle-comp-grip-5473

That is one expensive shooter! Someone else can comment on whether the Colt name means what it used to. I would go looking for a second generation or a third, and take something to measure the chamber mouths.

I did not want to pay the dollars for the Pony, so I purchased this

liked it enough, I purchased this one

Wish I had purchased more.

Bfh_auto · Aug 31, 2021

It's things like this that how my mind. But it was the buyer's money to spend.

1976B.L.Johns. · Aug 31, 2021

My confuser is giving me grief

! But, I do not believe this handgun killed did not kill anyone.

1976B.L.Johns. · Aug 31, 2021

%^^^ That sux^^^%

ETA...
To keep this gun related, I am tempted to take this old Windows 7 up-graded to 8.1 outside and put some lead in it!

With the up-grades, we do not get along anymore.

Rant over...........

WestKentucky · Aug 31, 2021

It was me. Couldn’t decide between a Wrangler or a birdshead heritage, so I figured what the heck. Next week that only gonna be about 3 days wages at Taco Bell so no biggie. It’s sitting out on the patio table waiting for the remnants of Ida to pass before I shoot it. It’s a 44 so I figure I can just load it up like a 44 mag and give it a quick try.

slicksleeve · Aug 31, 2021

WestKentucky said:
It’s a 44 so I figure I can just load it up like a 44 mag and give it a quick try.

And carry it in Kydex.

gobsauce · Aug 31, 2021

Slamfire said:
I was curious as to the provenance of the Billy the Kid gun.

El Paso Times article establishing that Mrs Garett got the pistol back from the Saloon that had it on display

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...-will-be-returned-to-garretts-widow/31521121/

This is the Coney Island Saloon, (the owner obviously thought the name would be a drawing point in El Paso!) which Ms Garrett had to sue to get the pistol back.

https://www.facebook.com/LostElPaso...ner-of-sheldon-oregon-street/570471359748342/

https://truewestmagazine.com/the-gun-collector/

Here is the auction house

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27262/

Provenance is everything. The Pat Garett gun had a solid enough provenance to be worth $6 million. I really don't know how they established that the pistol was the one Pat Garrett left to the Saloon owner. The original could have walked off, and been replaced with something close. The buyer should have established that before spending $6 million for the pistol.

Now this one, was "attributed", and only sold for $64,350.

An historic Colt single action army revolver attributed to famed outlaw William H. 'Billy the Kid' Bonney

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16016/lot/2120/

I did read Pat Garrett's book about Billy the Kid, and after the shooting, Pat wrote about the National attention the shooting received. And how many people he met that made claims of having faced down Billy the Kid, etc. Given the publicity and the notoriety (there were dime novels about the Kid) I would consider any story about a Billy the Kid gun, stored in a tree, to be a fish story. Someone though, paid $64,000 for it.

I went there before it closed. Hot dogs kinda sucked

WestKentucky · Aug 31, 2021

slicksleeve said:
And carry it in Kydex.

Kydex? We don’t need no stinking kydex! Gangsta carry in the waistband of a pair of pants that are falling down. Maybe after it hits asphalt a time or ten it will be scuffed up enough to not slide out as easy.

Jim Watson · Aug 31, 2021

You leave the loading gate open so it doesn't slither down your pants leg.

sarduy · Sep 1, 2021

I wonder if he/she can afford the ammo prices nowadays

Steve S. · Sep 1, 2021

I was “the second shooter on the grassy knoll”; I still have that rifle and the authorities are not going to prosecute me now, I was only nine at the time. Hmmmm, why not?

Shanghai McCoy · Sep 1, 2021

Steve S. said:
I was “the second shooter on the grassy knoll”; I still have that rifle and the authorities are not going to prosecute me now, I was only nine at the time. Hmmmm, why not?

Nah..,the shooters on the grassy knoll are buried in the desert outside Tuerlingua.
Ya wanta buy the shovel...?

RETG · Sep 1, 2021

The gun that KILLED Billy the Kid. I always thought a gun IS USED TO KILL someone; not that a gun ACTUALLY KILLED someone.

I read it here all the time; don't blame the gun, blame the shooter. :evil:

230RN · Sep 2, 2021

RETG said:
"The gun that killed Billy the Kid." I always thought a gun is used to kill someone; not that a gun actually killed someone.
I read it here all the time; don't blame the gun, blame the shooter.

True. Control the language, control the issue.

Terry, 230RN

WestKentucky · Sep 2, 2021

Shanghai McCoy said:
Nah..,the shooters on the grassy knoll are buried in the desert outside Tuerlingua.
Ya wanta buy the shovel...?

Yep, DB Cooper put them there with Jimmy Hoffa.

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