Have You Known Many Colt Haters?

tallpaul said:

most of the haters I know have been to cheap to pay the extra they cost... and make up whatever to justify their cheapness... but we all know they are just cheap or poor...

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Some of us haters put more ammo through our S&W's in a season of competition than a new Python is worth. Sometimes the technical capabilities are the reason not because we are poor.

candymancan said:

The gun ive had th3 MOST HATE on that i own is my 1911. People in person, absolutetly despise it.. try to bash me for carrying it.. only 7-9 shots... unreliable. 110 years old.. too heavy too big..

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Does it work? More important does it work for you? While I don't carry a 1911 I do have a fondness for the Colt Series 70 MK IV government models and if they are so bad I guess I should have a fire sale.


My choice for carry?


While not a Colt I am fond of this little 3" .45 ACP it just plain works and I seldom if ever take the extra magazines. When it comes to self defense?

According to one long-standing statistic, most self defense shootings involve an average of two shots. But that's an average, meaning there are a lot of incidents with fewer and a lot with more.

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The point here is one should be comfortable with what they carry and likewise how many rounds are enough? I want something I am comfortable with and which has proven reliability. All of my Colt 1911 guns are just as reliable and I would carry any one of them, albeit during the warm summer days it's a little harder to conceal my full size guns. If someone wants to hate or bad mouth Colt it's fine with me. Mine work for me and that's all I care about. Really pretty simple. There will always be haters of something and you hang around handguns long enough there is no shortage of assorted idiots parroting another's words.

Ron

Reloadron said:

Does it work? More important does it work for you? While I don't carry a 1911 I do have a fondness for the Colt Series 70 MK IV government models and if they are so bad I guess I should have a fire sale.
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While not a Colt I am fond of this little 3" .45 ACP it just plain works and I seldom if ever take the extra magazines. When it comes to self defense?


The point here is one should be comfortable with what they carry and likewise how many rounds are enough? I want something I am comfortable with and which has proven reliability. All of my Colt 1911 guns are just as reliable and I would carry any one of them, albeit during the warm summer days it's a little harder to conceal my full size guns. If someone wants to hate or bad mouth Colt it's fine with me. Mine work for me and that's all I care about. Really pretty simple. There will always be haters of something and you hang around handguns long enough there is no shortage of assorted idiots parroting another's words.

Ron

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All I got to say is, “Dang, cuz! You got yourself some nice .45’s there!”

GeoDudeFlorida said:

All I got to say is, “Dang, cuz! You got yourself some nice .45’s there!”

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Thanks, many years there. I should have posted my Colt Trooper and Detective Special in keeping with revolvers.

Ron

eddiememphis said:

Ask him how he feels about Hi-Points

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Well, now, last I heard Hi-Point didn’t make revolvers. But if they did and a person really liked theirs I’d have no quibble about it. Congratulations on your sweet Hi-Point and have a wonderful life!
Somebody who feels like they need to force their opinions on other folks gets no respect from me.

Reloadron said:

Thanks, many years there. I should have posted my Colt Trooper and Detective Special in keeping with revolvers.

Ron

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It’s never too late. Post away when you get the chance.

Charlie Martinez said:

I've never met a Colt hater but I've met a lot of Colt lovers that hated Colt prices. Nobody would own an Uberti SAA if the Colt SAA was more affordable.

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100% agree.. colts prices.... 2-3000$ for a handgun... just sayin

I have know many haters of many thing and I have learned not to debate/argue with them, it’s a waste of time.

I admit to despising the brand whose moniker is a jumping jackass. Not because of their revolvers though, specifically because of the Delta Elite and it’s unsupported chamber. Totally not acceptable and done solely as a rush job to get to market with a 10mm before anybody else. The revolvers are not bad, but they aren’t all that they are cracked up to be either. Grossly overpriced since colt discontinued revolvers for a while and then took advantage of a market they created.

WestKentucky said:

I admit to despising the brand whose moniker is a jumping jackass.

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The jumping jackass is actually The Rampant Colt Pony and has a history behind it dating back to the colt family coat of arms. Also it is a logo and not a moniker. Just as some trivia, the logo actually has a history to it. Even the spear in the logo has significance.

Ron

I do not hate colt double action revolvers but after working on them these many decades i just don't have the same confidence in them as i do S&W. I think the S&W internal mechanism is better due to design and wear resistance. Also many more colt da's of all types that came in for repairs than S&Ws. Most had evidence of earlier attempts for some reason or other. I believe S&Ws are more resistant to abuse like gangster flipping the cylinder shut, amateur attempts at tuning or "jugging" due to poor reloads.

vintovka said:

I believe S&Ws are more resistant to abuse like gangster flipping the cylinder shut, amateur attempts at tuning or "jugging" due to poor reloads.

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Well now, I think it’s a bit harsh to say Smith & Wesson is the brand preferred by gangsters, posers and morons; but, if that’s your experience, who am I to disagree?

Slamfire said:

They had dropped all their revolvers, their 1911's were expensive and inferior to the competition, and their AR rifles were over priced compared to the competition.

Colt is trying to survive off their past glory: "New" Pythons, "New" Anacondas. These new issue pistols are hugely expensive and we will see if that keeps them afloat.

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Colt never dropped the SAA.

The new guns are $1500 in a world where Rugers and S&W's are over $1000. They are a definite step up in fit & finish.

And as far as Colt doing things "backwards", their designs predated virtually every comparable S&W. Colt had DA's and hand ejectors before S&W. So it's really S&W that's "backwards". Or more precisely, "different".

I don't hate Colt as I have 3 rifles and 1911-----but in the '80's I bought a new Peacekeeper .357 that quickly went out of time---got rid of it.

Now I doubt I'll ever buy another Colt revolver or a Smith for that matter because of the lock-------now I have a GP100, a SP101 and a no-lock 642--Ruger is pretty much all I'll buy now.

Every dog has it's day. Colt is definitely was imaginative enough to put together the RIGHT COMBINATION of innovative parts first for a long and impressive time, from the SAA thru the 1911A1.

Not that Remington was just doin nuffin, or half a dozen others.

Smith kept up with it's conscientious improvments then one day their new company president woke up to some news that he eventually saw would change the handgun world and how it would. He asked in late to the game on the 1954 Army Pistol trials and entered the M39. Colt had their offering, both were based on requirements from Army for a 4" compact alloy frame 9mm SA/DA auto pistol. Army reneged as they always do with pistol contracts yet it was eventually Smith who selling 2 and 3 Gen auto's nationwide replacing not only Colt revolvers but also superceding their own revolver sales.

Colt had nothing to compete. The chain was broken.

When it comes to dominating the gun market, Colt had all the patent rights purchased and banked with the 1911A1, yet by the 1920s there were already improvements to be made, and Browning having to work AROUND his own patents is what created the better gun - The Hipower. It dropped the link, double stacked the magazine, offered SA/DA, and replaced almost everybody's existing service pistol except ours.

Browning wasn't alone as Walther invented the P38 - which is what Smith copied - and Beretta did too, which was what the Army adopted in the 1980's. And what improved both of them is the SIG Block - instead of hiding the locking block channels inside the slide, they just made a chunkier chamber and let it rest against the slide as the locking block.

In the progress of auto pistols arguing Colt vs Smith is very much a question out of date now. SMITH won - Colt dropped the ball and by the late 1980's had nothing, losing the game by non participation. That pic of the rack of 70's era 70's is exactly how they did it - they tried to sell an evolutionary upgrade to their core market who weren't having jack to do with it. Their core market wasn't new PD municipal buyers with a S&W list of shopping features required in the contract.

By the 1990s that list was written buy GLOCK and now the tables were turned. In 2017, that list was rewritting again, but SIG, and now it's their turn. Every time mechanical improvisation creates an new way to do something, the inventions doesn't always sound very effective to traditionalists - because they are the last to give a damn, and why you should never listen to them. What makes SIG the preeminent kool kid on the block? The drop out FCU. What has Glock avoided doing for the last 4 years? Introduced a drop out FCU. GLOCK is now in enviable position of being Colt in 1954, they got nothing for the future. Except lawsuits and we all know losers use lawsuits to cover their lame backside.

Colt vs S&W revolvers is arguing which obsolete revolvers from the 1930s are - ? If anyone approached a gun cabinet and found one of each and both so cheap you could afford both, we know what you would do. BUY BOTH.

Otherwise, it's like someone tag lined here, we mostly argue minutiae. The funny part is that some still don't understand how uninmportant their's is. ; )

I never hated a Colt gun but I have little Iove for the company. They dumped all over us constituents by dropping all the fine civilian revolvers and autos after they got the big gubmint contracts. Now, they aren't Colt so I'll wait as see. I'm down to four.

WestKentucky said:

Grossly overpriced since colt discontinued revolvers for a while and then took advantage of a market they created.

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Colt didn't "create a market" (collectors did) nor did they "take advantage" of a market they didn't create.

Tirod said:

Colt vs S&W revolvers is arguing which obsolete revolvers from the 1930s are - ? If anyone approached a gun cabinet and found one of each and both so cheap you could afford both, we know what you would do. BUY BOTH.; )

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I think the older the Colt, the better the Colt






When Police Departments were dumping their revolvers, I was able to buy a number of Colt DS's at prices, which if I saw again I would buy more today!. Removing the side plates, cleaning the gunk out of the interiors, I think I saw patterns. The old, pre WW2 Colts have very finely made interior parts. Very little evidence of file marks, though they had to be there. I could tell that the parts given to the final fitters, only required a little fitting to make the pistol function. The exterior's show outstanding polishing, and little nice touches, such as fine hammer knurling. Colt DS's are good through the 1950's, and my 1960's ones are good, well made, well fitted but showing less precision in the internal parts. However, the 1970 versions, as much as the outside is polished, the internal parts look like they were filed from soap chunks. It is evident that crude, over large parts were tossed at the assemblers who then had to file the things down, down, down to make them fit.

Based on discussions with people who visited Colt, management had abandoned the factory floor, profits were diverted to make the Plutocrats even wealthier, but the factory was falling apart. Old machines, worn out equipment, antique production flows. They were relying on the workers to rectify problems caused by old and obsolete equipment. Well there is only so much a guy with a file can do.

The pre-war Colt revolvers are simply some of the finest revolvers ever made. If one cannot appreciate the workmanship that went in to these old guns, I just don't think one really appreciates firearms at all.

That so many want to hold a grudge against the company (which really no longer exists) for the M-16/AR-15 issues, the relatively few rough years of its 1911 production, ceasing production of the "snake guns" and the business crap (bankruptcies, insolvencies, stuff that many big corporations go through routinely), well, fine, whatever.

OP- YES I sure have.

Typically by Taurus owners telling me that I'm just paying for the name.
Maybe I am!

Wish I had one so I could complain.

The only person who need be happy with their guns is the person who owns them. Don't like a name brand? Then don't buy it. I may have a dislike of a brand name but saying I "hate" it is a little overboard.

Ron

Reloadron said:

The only person who need be happy with their guns is the person who owns them. Don't like a name brand? Then don't buy it. I may have a dislike of a brand name but saying I "hate" it is a little overboard.

Ron

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I agree Colt made some fine stuff now leery of new items due to actual maker. Should be obvious right now i tend to dislike Colt DA internals, yokes and ejector stars due to wear, abuse and timing issues.

I had an issue with my first S&W if I remember was a model 39, I "disliked it" so much I never bought another smithy and to this day will not!