A new low… bad LGS story.

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When I am in shops I turn my selective hearing on , I could not care less about other people's chatter . I focus on what I am there for and get out . I also work in my Son's shop , and wish more people would approach it like I do .
 
I have a friend who has a large successful restaurant, or at least it was before all of this.

Anyway, he heard two of his waiters in the kitchen talking about idiot customers. Went into attack mode and told them those customers are who pay their salaries and who keep the restaurant open, and he'd better never hear that kind of talk again.
 
I was pondering the issue of customer service and why so many gun shops fail miserably.

In my experience, the best local gun shops are the ones that cultivate relationships. They don't need to have the best prices on everything or the biggest selection.

I can go into my two favorite LGS and they know that I might've just stopped by to shoot the breeze, say hi, and maybe check if they'd got a nifty used old gun in but really, have no plan to buy anything at all that day... But they're perfectly willing to talk guns, politics, fishing, football, kids, grandkids for an hour or longer, even knowing I'm not gonna buy anything that day -- And they also know that I've bought at least ten guns from the shop in the past few months and that I believe in supporting local business (even if I have to pay a little more). The owners and the guys that work for them are good with that. No pressure to buy, no war stories, no pretending to know more than they know. But we commiserate about the sorry state of governance in our state, have some laughs, catch up on family news, it's all good.

True, when possible. But, not ALL customers are YOU.

I worked, then managed a name brand (not big box) paint and flooring store.
We had Pro's that came in every day. We knew them well. They stood around the coffee pot, talked, joked, sometimes filled their own order.
We had Property Maintenance that came in 1-2 times a week, but could be a month before returning. We knew them. They hit the door, said what the needed, looked at sundries while waiting.

The retail customers were the full gammit. Knew us, had been customers for years, we may or may not remember them.
Had been in before, but it had been a while.
First timers.

Among these customers, there were those that knew what they wanted, don't try to sell them something else.
They knew what they needed to accomplish but what were their options.
They knew the basics, but wanted specific instruction, how to.
They knew nothing and were looking for a Pro.

When these people walked, not knowing them, their knowledge or skill level; PROFESSIONAL SERVICE is the only thing that matters. Listen, learn what they need, HELP them.

I am not sure if getting old or my background is why I am so critical and intolerant of lousy service. But, to far the other direction is almost as bad.

A LGS, the largest around here, has 6-8 employees, at all times. 4 behind counter, 2 on the floor and most times, a 'smith or 2.
As soon as you hit the door, somebody is asking "what do you need?"
I don't always "need" something. I stop to see what is happening.
Wander around, a couple times, " what you looking for?"
"Nothing, just looking."
Look at a powder I haven't used before,
"what powder do you need?"

Service is great, behind the counter are knowledgeable, but they give the vibe of a car salesman; "MUST MAKE SALE"

As such, i only go there when I do NEED something specific and I can't get it elsewhere.

Biggest problem in dealing with people is PEOPLE. They are all different, but politeness and product knowledge are always important.

Rambling rant over.
 
There used to be ONE gun store in the city of Cleveland. Their prices were as bizarre as the plot of a Clive Barker novel. I remember them selling Taurus PT-99s for $150-200 more than what real Berettas were going for anywhere else. They went out of business in the '80s.

There were several like that in the NW Ohio area. It seemed that if they had a gun I was actually interested in, the price was crazy. The last place around here with totally off the wall prices was Gander Mountain. Just before they closed up, we went in to buy some plastic gun cases and a gun I had recently purchased for ~$400 with shipping and transfer was $650. I just laughed.
I don't understand what those prices were supposed to do, get the sucker to pay up without spending 10 seconds looking online? Or just to have the guns in stock, and not have to worry about replacing it, unless that right sucker comes along.
 
There were several like that in the NW Ohio area. It seemed that if they had a gun I was actually interested in, the price was crazy. The last place around here with totally off the wall prices was Gander Mountain. Just before they closed up, we went in to buy some plastic gun cases and a gun I had recently purchased for ~$400 with shipping and transfer was $650. I just laughed.
I don't understand what those prices were supposed to do, get the sucker to pay up without spending 10 seconds looking online? Or just to have the guns in stock, and not have to worry about replacing it, unless that right sucker comes along.
Just as there are some manufacturers who think you OWE them your money, there are retailers who think the same thing. Dick's is one of them.
 
We are part of the problem though when we want the lowest price possible. I get frustrated when guys I know want the LGS to be within $10 or so of an online price or they will order the thing in. This costs them more in the long run in good will and transfer fees but they either don't see that or do it out of some twisted logic.

Firearms, in my mind, are retail sales. Sure some may like it more than selling shoes at Walmart, but it is retail and faces the challenges like the rest of the retail industry now.

Not making excuses for fools. Had a similar experience at a LGS recently, couldn't get any help as the 5 or 6 guys in there all seemed to be hitting on the one lady who worked there. I left, may go back, may not.........
 
We've got a range/gun store like that here that's been around forever.

The last time I was on the range, I had guns pointed at me twice in fifteen minutes. Despite the huge window, staff is completely blind to the goings on behind them. Plus it's filthy.

The last time I was in the store, one of their layabout buddies was hanging out at the counter doing his Andrew "Dice" Clay tribute act.

I haven't been back in years. There are too many other places not frequented by extras from a Steven Sagall movie.
There are a few still around that are that way. One on pearl rd and another on bagley rd. I tried supporting the pearl rd one but the richard simmons look alike isnt very friendly.
 
Just about every LGS I ever walked into has the typical I know everything about everything gun related magoo's and none of them are friendly at all. I always get this weird feeling like they think I am going to rob them or something because I look at everything and see what I may find as a deal or another shop may not. The worst ones are when you go in and everyone is wearing some sort of gun shirt thats way too tight and a full size pistol with extra mags. Just stop you look ridiculous!
 
Moved recently, and have been away from the area I’m in now for 5 years. Things have changed and the old haunts are all gone, replaced by cigarette outlets, cheap takeout joints, and a parking lot or two. Sad story, but it’s part of life.

On with the show… I made a lowball offer on a stripped revolver frame. It’s an old H&R 733, but that doesn’t matter. I found an FFL and called them. Phone call was good, so they go the green light for my transfer. They discount transfers for people who use their app… that should have been a clue. USPS said the package arrived Saturday. I got there today, told them what I was expecting, and out from the back they brought a beautiful milsurp 1911. Sadly I had to correct their mistake. Out from the back round 2, a S&W j frame pre-lock with gorgeous grips, and again I had to correct them. They tried again and finally dug up a box that contained my stripped frame. It was not in their log book yet, so that took a couple minutes. Then they gave me a 4473 which looked different than I was used to and took the info from it and typed it into a background check database. Maybe that should say type-o-ed it because I got a hold, and as soon as the hold popped up the phone rang and they said it was TBI. The guy at the computer is typing away while talking to the person on the phone correcting his error, and he tells me that they are starting over but they said that the hold would change to proceed quickly now that his mistake was fixed. Great, a little long, but ok. Guy seemed new, I wasn’t in a hurry so whatever. He got a pass on that and he was polite the entire time. The other guys though…

While all of this transpired I felt ashamed to even be in the place. The workers were all hiding behind racks and such making very inappropriate comments about other customers and 2 coworkers. Comments about a generally attractive young lady and how long it would take…, a customer with a physical handicap and how he couldn’t shoot anyway with “that thing” on the end of his arm. The coworkers were dumb, know it all, posers according to the manager, and he was considering firing one of them but dude has a smokin hot sister. A policeman came in and then comments were made about police in general. I was trying to avoid it all and check out new toys I had never seen.

I would have left had it not been for my background check processing and that I would have had to pay to ship the gun somewhere else. I felt like a hostage honestly, just wanted to finish the the transaction and get away. It’s hard to be worse than the shop owner who called me an A-hole at a shop literally riddled with dog poop, but this one now holds the crown. Oh and the discount for using the app, it’s kinda deceptive in how they promote it. They did give me $10 off for having the app but since I had not actually done anything on it they said they normally wouldn’t unless I had booked range time or something.

This lgs is a one and done for me.
Agreed, OP. Whoever runs that shop is not the sharpest nail in the box.
 
This lgs is a one and done for me.

Sorry for your issue. As the manager of a pawnshop/lgs we love the high marks we get on google reviews. We also welcome people coming in to the store to check us out before doing any kind of business with us. Definitely do a swing by any new place you're considering doing business with, there's a lot of shady folks doing sketchy things lately.
 
Is this a sad "sign of the times" or what? o_O

The sign's been up a while. A lot of us are old enough to remember going into a gun/parts/hardware store and being greeted by someone who , when told what we're looking for, immediately knew what we needed, where it was, and how much it cost. Modern counter persons are more valued for their retail sales experience and computer skills.

Sadly, the privately owned mom n pop type shops are gonna have trouble competing for quality employees currently. The best service I ever get is from a 2-man operation where the owner and his retired buddy are the only 2 folks ever working.
 
The sign's been up a while. A lot of us are old enough to remember going into a gun/parts/hardware store and being greeted by someone who , when told what we're looking for, immediately knew what we needed, where it was, and how much it cost. Modern counter persons are more valued for their retail sales experience and computer skills.

Sadly, the privately owned mom n pop type shops are gonna have trouble competing for quality employees currently. The best service I ever get is from a 2-man operation where the owner and his retired buddy are the only 2 folks ever working.

Agreed. About 30 years ago, I found a 12 gauge SxS at a small town near here that was run by an elderly gentleman. He was a fountain of knowledge for a novice reloader and I made frequent visits. Sometimes his wife would help and his elderly mother would occasionally sit in a corner and watch the customers.
The onerous government regulations finally forced him to close as those regs were taking all of his fun away.
 
Sorry for your issue. As the manager of a pawnshop/lgs we love the high marks we get on google reviews. We also welcome people coming in to the store to check us out before doing any kind of business with us. Definitely do a swing by any new place you're considering doing business with, there's a lot of shady folks doing sketchy things lately.

if you want to stay on top, i know 2 things that will make a difference, at least, it would for me: one, do not make your customers feel like they are annoying you just for showing up.

two: do not make your customers feel stupid because you know more about guns and the business of guns than they do.

i bought a brand new 1911-22 at my local store a month or so ago. i have not spent any time in gunshops over the past few years. when i asked VERY POLITELY to see the 1911, i saw that there was a blue plastic tag in the breech. i VERY POLITELY asked the fellow to remove the tag because i didn't know what the heck it was. he turned and shared a smirk with the assistant manager who was working at the counter a few feet away. they are surely smarter than me about things in the shop. and i guess it's a trial for them to bear with such annoyances all day. so difficult. but what the owner of the store needs to know is after de facto being called a dumbass by his help, i will avoid his store. hey guys, is it hard dealing with me? if it's so rough, go get a job at walmart or something.

over the next couple of years, i'll probably spend 2-3 thousand bucks or more on guns and who knows how much on ammo. and i will not be spending much of that at this store. because i annoy the help.

i went on and bought the 1911 because i just really wanted to get out there and blast some targets and tin cans. so i bought a $375 gun. the next gun i buy will be closer to $1000, but i will probably buy it somewhere else. so: treat your customers like idiots and they will notice it.
 
My own bad experience was with a big name sporting goods store in Hampton, VA.

BACKGROUND:

Home is in SC, but I work in VA. I was in the market for an AR-15 and had been keeping an eye out fit a decent deal. A buddy pointed out an ad one day for an awesome sale. I called ahead to verify the store had them in stock, then drove over there.

SO...

Got up to the counter, told the salesman what I wanted, and he brought one out. Great! I'll take it! Gave him my driver's license and waited for him to bring out a Form 4473.

He looks at my SC drivers license, walks over to talk to someone, comes back. Told me he couldn't sell me the rifle because I was from SC and it wasn't legal.

"Who says it's illegal?"

"My boss."

Well, I'm embarrassed because it was a holiday sales event and this took place in front of a lot of other customers. And it wouldn't have been productive in the least to get into an argument, so I left.

When I got to my car, I called a couple other gun stores and gave them the scenario and asked "can I legally buy this rifle?" Yep. Certainly.

The second gun shop I called asked me what price the store that refused me was asking. I told him and he laughed and said "We've got the same rifle here and our normal price is $20 less than their sale price!" So guess where I bought my rifle?

I called the sporting goods store and asked to speak with the store manager. Told him my problem and what the manager at the gun counter told me.

He offered to connect me to that manager and I said "No, he isn't going to help with this and I want YOU to understand what happened and what it cost YOUR store, because he works for you."

The laws do NOT say it's illegal to sell a rifle to someone out of state. Which means it's either a corporate or store policy, or the manager doesn't know what the laws actually say on the matter. If he knows what the laws say, which he probably does, then he LIED to me...maybe to save store face by deflecting so it would look bad on him.

Well as a customer I was lied to and made to look like either a fool or a criminal in front of dozens of other customers.

I came prepared to drop over $2,000 in HIS store with the holiday shopping list I had, and that rifle only represented $500 of it. Which means HIS store lost that money.

More, his store was going to lose more potential customers because this story was going to circulate among my friends and co-workers.

I told him I was headed to another gun shop to get my rifle and I left it up to him to deal with this however he chose.

DO. NOT. LIE. TO. ME.
 
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I've seen plenty of questionable gun store employee behavior, but I've encountered a couple who were incredibly helpful. I also had the one, when I informed him of a yard sale where a guy was selling 60-70 guns a few miles away. I'd known him a good while by this time, and told him what I remembered seeing and prices. He asked if I cared to run back over there, gave me 3 grand out of the safe and told me to do the best I could.
 
It's a shame some feel the need to make such comments.
I've been going to the same backwoods pawnshop for years now and if anything is said while I'm filling out my 4473, it's either a comment on the news (there's usually a tv tuned into Fox news) or a compliment directed at someone.

Most folks in Western NC are pleasantly polite like that. Where I live specifically, most are also carrying concealed as well.
 
i've bad-mouthed a local business (without naming them), now let me do the opposite and talk about a great firing range i've found in Shelbyville, Ky. they are the opposite side of what's been posted here: helpful, friendly, glad to share knowledge without making one feel dumb. they act like they value every customer who comes in the door. they do not try to gouge anyone on price. no elitism. no prickism. great helpful and welcoming attitudes.

i was having trouble figuring out what to do with the sights on my gun today and the manager came in and straightened it out for me. how few would do such a thing?

i run into this so little these days that when i do get it, i value it much. i'll gladly spend my money here.

my wife is in a wheelchair these days and they insist i bring her to shoot. i'm hoping i can get her interested!
 
For the most part the gun stores in my area are pretty decent. Friendly knowledgeable staff that do understand “customer service”.
I have encountered numbskulls in gun stores in the past. A couple in Oregon we’re lame but the one that stands out for the Dumbassery Award was a store in Elk Grove, CA. It had an old cowboy name but that was its only attribute even close to being “Cowboy”.
It’s was run by buttheads and staffed by buttheads. I bought one gun there the first time in the store and was treated great until they got my $900 then they started showing their true colors when I went back to pick up my purchase and the few times I went in there looking for things.

I have gone to gun stores all over this country.
I will drive 50 miles to avoid bad service at a gun store. Life’s too short to give morons and idiots my money or my time.
 
My first visit to a local store ( In Nassau, NY) made me fell like I was interrupting a sit down of a crime family plotting a hit. All five old dudes just squinted at me, watched me make a small purchase, and walk out. Real unpleasant.

I went back again but this time I stared back.

Back when I first got into shooting in around 1992 I visited several NYC gunships while I was waiting for my rifle/shotgun permit. I got a similar reception in a gun/police supply store. The guy behind the counter and the group he was talking to all glared at me as I walked in. They never stopped their conversation to even say hello.
 
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