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If the past can be used as an example of how these things go, it will come back around again. That's the main point I'm trying to make. I apologize if it appears that I'm bragging.
I'm trying to share the things I've done after things would return to normal from past experience.
You don't need a huge bank account. Start buying a little at a time and stashing it back.
Yeah, that came off a lot less polite than I shoulda been. Apologies for that, sir.

for the last almost two years I've been seeing old hands - folks like you and me - telling people what they should'a done, when the reality is, not everyone who should'a, could'a, even if they knew what was coming and would'a. Health problems and the bills that come with those problems - mine and family - interfered badly with my stocking up. Would'a done more if I could'a but that didn't happen so I ended up a little shorter than I wanted to be on SPP and SRP. Had to spend more than I wanted to get back to a 10-year supply but did so now I'm at that level. I don't talk a lot about what i do or don't have because there's folks out there who are in real bad need and don't need to be reminded that there's other who have ten lifetime's worth of supplies squirreled away. I help when I can but privately.

The people who got out of reloading because they didn't think it was worthwhile anymore and got caught with some supplies but missing crucial items - like powders and cases - knew what might happen IF but, let's face it, did anyone really predict what DID happen? Crystal balls ain't cheap or common. I think my sig' line says it all, pretty much. ;)
 
Darn shame but my time machine appears to be broke - like my bank account - or I could follow your advice.
Mind you I did stock up as much as possible and have been sharing the fruits of that good planning with those less fortunate, but unless the new reloaders out there have a time machine, and a full bank account back then, your advice is only good for the next go around - and it’s been said a lot already. Bragging about your supplies is salt in wound. Kinda low class.
you should get a Primer dice, hard to break

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$50/500
 
Holy smokes!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...tent=product_2_link&utm_campaign=inceptor-9mm
Remington Core-Lokt Ammunition 300 Savage 150 Grain Core-Lokt Soft Point Box of 20 ON SALE! $39.99 (+ HAZMAT + Tax - free shipping if you buy more).

Somebody tell me again how "expensive" a 10¢ primer is...o_O

Yeah, sure, I know, back when they wuz given them away and before that when CCI wuz paying folks $100 a day to haul off truckloads of surplus primers, we all should'a stocked up... but, those days never were. If you got billions upon billions of 2¢ primers, Hallelujah! and good for you! Now how about the people looking for .300Savage so they can go out on opening day?
 
I'm seeing powder slowly become more available as well.

I'm not having any trouble finding powder. In the past 3 months I've acquired A2495, A2520, Alliant 2400, A #5, all in 8 lb jugs. I've seen several other powders available in jugs larger than 1 pound.

I really don't see a shortage of powders. At least, not like it was 12 months ago.
 
I'm not having any trouble finding powder. In the past 3 months I've acquired A2495, A2520, Alliant 2400, A #5, all in 8 lb jugs. I've seen several other powders available in jugs larger than 1 pound.

I really don't see a shortage of powders. At least, not like it was 12 months ago.

I've seen what I want online in stock, but just in 1lb bottles and I'm not to the point to pay the hazard fee for just 1 lb or whatever the limit is. Locally I've seen a few in stock too but it's always 4lb or 8lb jugs of something I've never used and I'm not keen on starting with that much of something I'm not familiar with. I'm mostly just looking for HP38/win 231 or H335. I did just crack open a 4lb jug of bullseye today I've had laying around for several years I'm going to start working up some loads with.
 
Holy smokes!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...tent=product_2_link&utm_campaign=inceptor-9mm
Remington Core-Lokt Ammunition 300 Savage 150 Grain Core-Lokt Soft Point Box of 20 ON SALE! $39.99 (+ HAZMAT + Tax - free shipping if you buy more).

Somebody tell me again how "expensive" a 10¢ primer is...o_O

Yeah, sure, I know, back when they wuz given them away and before that when CCI wuz paying folks $100 a day to haul off truckloads of surplus primers, we all should'a stocked up... but, those days never were. If you got billions upon billions of 2¢ primers, Hallelujah! and good for you! Now how about the people looking for .300Savage so they can go out on opening day?
Exactly! When I need more primers (and I will eventually), if they cost 10 cents apiece but still let me reload 9mm and 45 ACP for half what I can buy it for, I’ll be paying 10 cents apiece. I reload for 2 reasons, it’s fun and it’s cheaper than buying ammo, even 9mm nowadays. As long as I can accomplish those objectives and can afford it, I’m in. I’m sorry not sorry, I’m not going to quit reloading and shooting just to “force the price of primers back down to normal”.
 
Buy other reloading stuff you need! not primers

my local reloading cave that I just rediscovered has .45LC for $12/100, buckets of other hard to come by brass, hard cast .358 for $32/500 with the grease on it. All kindda good stuff!

62g .223 $50/500

I’m Stocking up on everything
 
So, when I run out of primers, I should buy more brass? Ain't that like when I run out of food, I should buy more silverware?
I stop actively shooting. just stocking up for the time when I have more time. Been doing alot of night fishing in Seattle and avoiding the crazy homeless… “What your doing Man?”

It’s the life of being a Trophy Husband
 
Holy smokes!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...tent=product_2_link&utm_campaign=inceptor-9mm
Remington Core-Lokt Ammunition 300 Savage 150 Grain Core-Lokt Soft Point Box of 20 ON SALE! $39.99 (+ HAZMAT + Tax - free shipping if you buy more).

Somebody tell me again how "expensive" a 10¢ primer is...o_O

Yeah, sure, I know, back when they wuz given them away and before that when CCI wuz paying folks $100 a day to haul off truckloads of surplus primers, we all should'a stocked up... but, those days never were. If you got billions upon billions of 2¢ primers, Hallelujah! and good for you! Now how about the people looking for .300Savage so they can go out on opening day?

That's $10 cheaper than the local store. Must be the first CF Remington geared up for. Every local store has had 12 boxes on the shelves for a month.
 
For sure!! Most of the primers I am using was purchased on or before 2012. Most folks have a limited budget for loading supplies so it isn't like you can buy 500,000 primers and tons of powder and bullets. I haven't quit loading yet, maybe I can stretch it for 2 years.

I'm going to disagree here. It is much cheaper to buy in bulk (not half million primers, but a lot). I was buying the fiocchi primers that come 1500 to a brick (and in the obnoxious 150 per sleeve in that brick) but those were about same cost as a 1,000 brick of other brands. This was 2019 - not decades ago. But not that big a deal to go grab a few thousand primers once a month. I live driving distance from Outdoor Limited so sales tax, but no hazmat shipping. $35 for 1500 SPP - 2.3 cents for a primer. SPP and SRM were same price. This drought hasn't bothered me a bit yet because I was continually buying primers I didn't need at the time. Powder I do a little different. I'll get as many 8# jugs as I can have on 1 hazmat fee. So yeah, that's a bigger spend all at once, but compared to buying 1lb at a time - esp walk into LGS and buy it - that's a big savings. 8lb jug of W231 is roughly 11K pistol rounds - why screw around with smaller amounts and pay a premium to do so? Having the stockpile on hand for a drought is just an added bonus, but for me it's just the economy of the bulk purchase. Bullets too - the more you buy, the cheaper they are to a point. But that point is usually around the 6k mark. Even just saving a penny (it's more) that's $60 off the bullets just cuz you bought a bigger box.

Way off topic, hindsight 20/20, shoulda coulda woulda.....but even with a limited budget anyone who has been reloading....or shooting....or buying guns....for more than a short time has seen scarcity and panics and droughts. If you need a pound of powder, you need an 8lb keg. If you need a brick of primers, you need a case. If you need a box of bullets, you need a bulk pack of 3-6k. That's the way I think anyway - at least for what I use the most - I wouldn't buy 5k Hornady SST just to save a few cents per if I only wanted to make 100 rds hunting ammo, but in general anything I shoot & load in volume, my wanting to have the lowest cost per round by default builds stockpiles too. I'm late 40's so the AWB of the 90's was all I had to live through to understand building up a stash. And for stuff I don't load like 22LR and 12GA.....well if I ever have grandchildren they'll be shooting from that stash. But I didn't go out one day and buy it all. Just a some here, some there, but always, always, I bought it at a good sale price when I did not need it. The only times I ever bought anything reloading related when I needed it was initially starting out and then when starting a new caliber.

This is an email receipt from Jan 2019: 4200 FMJ projectiles + 6k primers for $443 total incl tax. Add 1.4 or 6.5 cents of powder (pistol/rifle) and that's a pretty low cost per round for not using cast or plated bullets. 12.5 cents for 45ACP, 10.1 cents for 9mm. On the previous trip there I got Wolf 55gr 223 bullets for $60/1000 and that puts .223 at 14.8 cents. So other than saving up to get 3-6 8lb kegs of powder at once, the remainder of that could have been bought 1-2 things at a time every payday or something. Also below is powder purchase from Jan 2020. I have no idea what a single pound of H335 typically costs but have a feeling it's a lot more than $17.58. This isn't a flex or bragging - just trying to illustrate how much cheaper it is buying a lot vs buying a little and the benefit to the play money budget of not needing anything at panic prices. Plenty of other times all I had $ for was a brick of .22 and a brick or primers.....but even that accumulated with $65 spends.
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I'm going to disagree here. It is much cheaper to buy in bulk (not half million primers, but a lot). I was buying the fiocchi primers that come 1500 to a brick (and in the obnoxious 150 per sleeve in that brick) but those were about same cost as a 1,000 brick of other brands. This was 2019 - not decades ago. But not that big a deal to go grab a few thousand primers once a month. I live driving distance from Outdoor Limited so sales tax, but no hazmat shipping. $35 for 1500 SPP - 2.3 cents for a primer. SPP and SRM were same price. This drought hasn't bothered me a bit yet because I was continually buying primers I didn't need at the time. Powder I do a little different. I'll get as many 8# jugs as I can have on 1 hazmat fee. So yeah, that's a bigger spend all at once, but compared to buying 1lb at a time - esp walk into LGS and buy it - that's a big savings. 8lb jug of W231 is roughly 11K pistol rounds - why screw around with smaller amounts and pay a premium to do so? Having the stockpile on hand for a drought is just an added bonus, but for me it's just the economy of the bulk purchase. Bullets too - the more you buy, the cheaper they are to a point. But that point is usually around the 6k mark. Even just saving a penny (it's more) that's $60 off the bullets just cuz you bought a bigger box.

Way off topic, hindsight 20/20, shoulda coulda woulda.....but even with a limited budget anyone who has been reloading....or shooting....or buying guns....for more than a short time has seen scarcity and panics and droughts. If you need a pound of powder, you need an 8lb keg. If you need a brick of primers, you need a case. If you need a box of bullets, you need a bulk pack of 3-6k. That's the way I think anyway - at least for what I use the most - I wouldn't buy 5k Hornady SST just to save a few cents per if I only wanted to make 100 rds hunting ammo, but in general anything I shoot & load in volume, my wanting to have the lowest cost per round by default builds stockpiles too. I'm late 40's so the AWB of the 90's was all I had to live through to understand building up a stash. And for stuff I don't load like 22LR and 12GA.....well if I ever have grandchildren they'll be shooting from that stash. But I didn't go out one day and buy it all. Just a some here, some there, but always, always, I bought it at a good sale price when I did not need it. The only times I ever bought anything reloading related when I needed it was initially starting out and then when starting a new caliber.

This is an email receipt from Jan 2019: 4200 FMJ projectiles + 6k primers for $443 total incl tax. Add 1.4 or 6.5 cents of powder (pistol/rifle) and that's a pretty low cost per round for not using cast or plated bullets. 12.5 cents for 45ACP, 10.1 cents for 9mm. On the previous trip there I got Wolf 55gr 223 bullets for $60/1000 and that puts .223 at 14.8 cents. So other than saving up to get 3-6 8lb kegs of powder at once, the remainder of that could have been bought 1-2 things at a time every payday or something. Also below is powder purchase from Jan 2020. I have no idea what a single pound of H335 typically costs but have a feeling it's a lot more than $17.58. This isn't a flex or bragging - just trying to illustrate how much cheaper it is buying a lot vs buying a little and the benefit to the play money budget of not needing anything at panic prices. Plenty of other times all I had $ for was a brick of .22 and a brick or primers.....but even that accumulated with $65 spends.
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And what Florida county was this in? Oh, it was in North Carolina. Yea so this does what for us in Florida and every other state where that deal wasn’t available? Right, nothing. Bupkis. Nada. Bu, hey, good for you! Nice job of rubbing salt bubba.

And by the way, I load maybe 250 rounds a month so 6k primers of just one size is kind of stupid for me. But that’s me. Which is why I try not to get real snotty about telling other people who they ought to be or how to spend their money

In 2019 I had a series of heart attacks. I was dead on a table and my wife was about to have to deal with all my krap and work and deal with a house in the swamps by herself. Lucky for her the good Lord wasn’t done with me but before you go telling people how much to stockpile how about taking a second to realize not everyone is you. Okay? A little humility goes a long way.
 
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Ummmm....the powder was shipped to me - same as it could have been shipped to Florida. I find it hard to believe nowhere in the state of Florida sold Fiocchi primers in 2019 or 2020..... although Outdoor Limited also ships.
 
Ummmm....the powder was shipped to me - same as it could have been shipped to Florida. I find it hard to believe nowhere in the state of Florida sold Fiocchi primers in 2019 or 2020..... although Outdoor Limited also ships.
So much for a little humility. Fine. You be you. I don’t have to care.
 
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