JR24
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Me too, and agree.
Cocked and locked?
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Me too, and agree.
Deanimator
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I don't own a semi-auto handgun which can reasonably be carried in a pocket.
After a long and futile search for a new Walther PPK (NOT a PPK/S) in .380, I resigned myself to carrying my S&W Model 36 in a pocket holster I made myself. It works well enough against generic thugs until "car & knife jihad" picks up again.
After a long and futile search for a new Walther PPK (NOT a PPK/S) in .380, I resigned myself to carrying my S&W Model 36 in a pocket holster I made myself. It works well enough against generic thugs until "car & knife jihad" picks up again.
Generic thugs
, like over the counter medicine? Are those easier to incapacitate?Be my luck to get prescription thugs, or like Claritin D behind the counter thugs; they might be hard to stop, take 2-3 good hits each.
We assuming a 100% good hit ratio, or might we entertain the remote possibility of poor hits or even a miss? I'm thinking more ammo is better.
Deanimator
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Nothing I own or am likely to own any time soon that's suitable for pocket carry has a greater capacity.Generic thugs
Be my luck to get prescription thugs, or like Claritin D behind the counter thugs; they might be hard to stop, take 2-3 good hits each.
We assuming a 100% good hit ratio, or might we entertain the remote possibility of poor hits or even a miss? I'm thinking more ammo is better.
Generic thugs want your wallet.
Prescription thugs want your HEAD and scream "Allahu akhbar" while trying to obtain it.
The former don't want to die, and usually won't knowingly court death to get your wallet.
The latter WANT to die, and plan for it, after killing as many innocent people as possible.
Muggers run FROM guns. Jihadis run TOWARD them.
Lately, we've had a lot more of the former than the latter. I expect that to change in the future.
WheelGunMan
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I carried an LCR357 for years IWB appendix in a kydex holster and also on occasion in a pocket holster. Still carry it occasionally and it sits patiently next to me every night waiting to be called upon if needed.
DustyGmt
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It should go without saying, I am not fond of the idea of having to defend myself period (no offense to thugs or jihadis), much less having to rely on doing it with a .380acp. But that's what I usually have on my person because it's the easiest thing for me most of the time. 9mm in my bag never far away. At least I have some OTC headache medicine (.380acp). If not, my bag is never far away for the prescription strength stuff (9mm)
Sorry, had to take a stab at the medicine metaphors.
If I had to carry an SA pistol, I would make sure I carried it in a holster that kept the safety from being accidentally moved to the off position.
I had a Colt Mustang that I purchased for my wife. She had a purse with an inner pocket that fit the Mustang perfectly. So I thought "Wow - that's great, she can just keep it in this pocket."
She was going on a business trip, She watched me load the Mustang, and put it cocked and locked in the purse pocket.
When she came back, I opened the pocket and took the Mustang out, the safety was down. It was still cocked. My wife hadn't touched the pistol, hadn't even gone into that purse pocket at all. When I saw the safety off, a chill went down my spine.
I have no idea how long she was carrying the pistol around cocked with the safety off.
I'm not saying to carry with an empty chamber but I would definitely use a rigid holster that prevents the safety from being bumped.
I had a Colt Mustang that I purchased for my wife. She had a purse with an inner pocket that fit the Mustang perfectly. So I thought "Wow - that's great, she can just keep it in this pocket."
She was going on a business trip, She watched me load the Mustang, and put it cocked and locked in the purse pocket.
When she came back, I opened the pocket and took the Mustang out, the safety was down. It was still cocked. My wife hadn't touched the pistol, hadn't even gone into that purse pocket at all. When I saw the safety off, a chill went down my spine.
I have no idea how long she was carrying the pistol around cocked with the safety off.
I'm not saying to carry with an empty chamber but I would definitely use a rigid holster that prevents the safety from being bumped.
Convenient that you have them figured out.
I'm not certain about potential aggressors, attempting to predict the actions of someone(s) exhibiting behavior that merits the use of lethal force.
This person did not give up after being shot, more than once:
This one didn't give up after being shot repeatedly:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/v...deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/
In anticipation of I don't own a liquor store and / or I aint a cop
Civilian, non liquor store, 1 thug (not sure if generic) took 5 rounds:
https://www.opposingviews.com/category/video-burglar-paul-slater-shot-five-times-armed-mom
I'm glad I'm no longer limited to pocket carry and am able to carry/conceal something with greater capacity, cause 5 hits aint enough for some thugs, much less two.
Back to topic of thread, a Sig 365 would be much preferred over 5-6 round revolver. (I still don't want a manual safety on it).
MedWheeler
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Jarhead127 writes:
Lefy here, too, and also one who favors the "traditional" DA/SA, though the 1911 is growing on me. The P-85 was my first duty-issued autoloader (back in 1990, the second agency I worked for) and a lighter P-95 with a rail-mounted lamp is currently my nightstand-duty gun. I've also carried a PPK/S and a Bersa Thunder, all with the hammer at rest on a loaded chamber and the safety off.
I have carried a 1911 around now and then, and will likely continue to move in that direction a bit more. I have found that I can sweep my trigger finger across the top of the extended safety on my R1S Enhanced Commander and click it down pretty smoothly as I draw the pistol.
If I found a Smith and Wesson 4506 for a good price, though, I'd probably forget I even owned a 1911.
Lefy here, too, and also one who favors the "traditional" DA/SA, though the 1911 is growing on me. The P-85 was my first duty-issued autoloader (back in 1990, the second agency I worked for) and a lighter P-95 with a rail-mounted lamp is currently my nightstand-duty gun. I've also carried a PPK/S and a Bersa Thunder, all with the hammer at rest on a loaded chamber and the safety off.
I have carried a 1911 around now and then, and will likely continue to move in that direction a bit more. I have found that I can sweep my trigger finger across the top of the extended safety on my R1S Enhanced Commander and click it down pretty smoothly as I draw the pistol.
If I found a Smith and Wesson 4506 for a good price, though, I'd probably forget I even owned a 1911.
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I do, for most REASONABLY foreseeable circumstances.
I could be jumped by a platoon of North Korean Light Infantry Brigade commandos, backed up by a PT-76, while driving to the liquor store. I'm not going to start carrying an RPG-16 in case that happens.
What's FAR more likely to happen is that some opportunistic thug with a handgun is going to try to jump what his defective victim identification skills tells him is an easy mark. My Model 36 will likely be more than enough to deal with that situation, if I even have to pull the trigger at all.
That being said, I've carried a variety of other firearms, from a full sized Norinco M1911 to a 3" S&W Model 65.
Carry what you want, but I carry what's tailored to the LIKELY threat, not an alien invasion.
As long as you don't forget to take the safety off, and you don't muff it, your 1911 will be ready to go. However, this guy, has seen enough shooters forget to take the safety off that he does not recommend an external safety on a self defense firearm.
4 Reasons I Don't Trust The 1911 with my Life
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I've been carrying and shooting M1911s (and a Browning Hi Power) since Jimmy Carter was in the White House. One of my current carry guns is a 3 1/2" Citadel M1911. At this point, I'm as likely to forget to hit the safety as I am to forget to pull the trigger on my S&W Model 65.
Nowhere in my post did I say what you should do, God forbid.
The thread is about Sig 365 which I carry in weak hand front pocket, along with a Glock IWB. Options and options are good wherever, whenever.
I posted three examples where 5 hits failed to incapacitate a singular attacker; for me, a revolver is capacity deficient independent of location, wherever.
I don't fancy myself good at predicting the actions of criminals, but I've gotten pretty good at what to expect on gun forums.
There are many people on gun forums that like show & tell (like to post what they do) but don't like to be questioned or critiqued.
When someone is content to carry a 5 shot snub or pocket 380 and I post examples where that would have been insufficient ...
100% of the time (so far) the reply has been rationalization, continuance of the status quo.
Not once (yet) has someone said, I think I need to carry more ammo.
The underlying (real) reason for this doesn't get posted (IME) its not about the gun, its about their preferred manner of dress/carry which goes unsaid.
They will post statistics, rationalizations, but seldom (although it has happened) will they just admit if they can't stick it in a pocket and go they won't carry.
Still not saying what you should do, God forbid.
PWC
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Bersa double action, one in the chamber, hammer pulled back to first click to get it off the firing pin; not really a half-cock
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The threat level in my current environment in no way justifies that level of preparedness. That being said, I wouldn't tell anyone NOT to do it.
I have both pistols the OP wants to pocket carry. I have the MS version of the P365 and a 637. And both are set up with Mika and Alabama Pocket Holsters. And I will say that biggest drawback with pocket carry is weight! One reason I pocket carry my G42 more than my P365 is due to weight.
I will say both weapons are safe enough to carry in the pocket, but you got to have big pockets. And I really only feel comfortable with the P365 or G42 in a Kydex style holster due to thr short and light trigger.
For me, I carry my j frames in the pocket (with the Mikas) more and let even the smaller/ micro pistols go into a shoulder holster. Just how I roll.
Good luck,
Lefty
I will say both weapons are safe enough to carry in the pocket, but you got to have big pockets. And I really only feel comfortable with the P365 or G42 in a Kydex style holster due to thr short and light trigger.
For me, I carry my j frames in the pocket (with the Mikas) more and let even the smaller/ micro pistols go into a shoulder holster. Just how I roll.
Good luck,
Lefty
Not in my day....1964-1975. 1911's were carried hammer down on an empty chamber with a full magazine...Army & Air Force...don't know about the squids.
In civilian mufti, I carry a 1911, cocked and locked in an OWB holster.
As to the P365, I have the non-safety model, and have carried it for over two years now (over 1200 rounds through it). I find the trigger light enough & with the weight, fully loaded, too much for pocket or IAWB use. So mine goes in an OWB of my own making at the 4:00 position. Easy to hide there under a shirt tail or jacket and I don' t carry at the beach! Overall, it's the best choice for CC use that I've come across in 50+ years of carrying...it's fairly light, superbly accurate, w/great sights and a small grip that miraculously fits my size L hands.
YMMv Rod
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~30 years ago I didn't feel comfortable carrying one in the chamber. I got over it.
All of my pocket guns have a heavy enough trigger that I don't feel nervous about an accidental discharge. I always use a pocket holster.
I have been REALLY wanting to add a P365 or Bearcat to my collection but it is too big for pocket carry for me. If I am going to carry something bigger than my DB9 it will be my XDS in .45 acp. My personal preference is for bigger holes instead of more holes.
The little NAA revolvers are only carried in a bathing suit or the like.
I actually prefer a safety but none of my carry pistols have one. I have gotten used to not having a safety just like I got used to carrying one in the chamber. If I bought a new carry gun with a safety these days I would have to do a lot of practicing to help my thumb remember what it is supposed to do.
All of my pocket guns have a heavy enough trigger that I don't feel nervous about an accidental discharge. I always use a pocket holster.
I have been REALLY wanting to add a P365 or Bearcat to my collection but it is too big for pocket carry for me. If I am going to carry something bigger than my DB9 it will be my XDS in .45 acp. My personal preference is for bigger holes instead of more holes.
The little NAA revolvers are only carried in a bathing suit or the like.
I actually prefer a safety but none of my carry pistols have one. I have gotten used to not having a safety just like I got used to carrying one in the chamber. If I bought a new carry gun with a safety these days I would have to do a lot of practicing to help my thumb remember what it is supposed to do.
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MedWheeler
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Slamfire writes:
Definitely a valid point for someone switching to a safety-governed pistol from decades of using handguns free of them.
I've already been tested once when two shadies parked across from my house one night and full-on sprinted up onto my property in such a manner as to appear to be about to do a home invasion on either my house or the one closest to it. They didn't know I was sitting in a vehicle on my property (I'd been drinking a beer on my porch, but the mosquitoes were biting, so I'd moved into my old Jeep in the grass.)
Blinded by the four-cell in my off hand, they never saw the 1911, safety off, trigger finger appropriately indexed, coming up. Turned out they were trying to sneak up on a neighborhood pet rabbit that had taken up residence on my property after apparently escaping from another (they were not the animal's original owners.)
Definitely a valid point for someone switching to a safety-governed pistol from decades of using handguns free of them.
I've already been tested once when two shadies parked across from my house one night and full-on sprinted up onto my property in such a manner as to appear to be about to do a home invasion on either my house or the one closest to it. They didn't know I was sitting in a vehicle on my property (I'd been drinking a beer on my porch, but the mosquitoes were biting, so I'd moved into my old Jeep in the grass.)
Blinded by the four-cell in my off hand, they never saw the 1911, safety off, trigger finger appropriately indexed, coming up. Turned out they were trying to sneak up on a neighborhood pet rabbit that had taken up residence on my property after apparently escaping from another (they were not the animal's original owners.)
The anticipated threat level where I live is very low, I live in a real "good area" (excellent, IMO).
My carry is not based on anticipated threat, it is about what I would prefer to defend myself with.
Glock 19/32/22 are all acceptable, currently carrying the 22. I carry it AIWB which is the quickest draw, easiest concealed and affords access when seated.
If I had to defend myself would I prefer the Glock 22 in hand? Yes. (location aint a factor)
I can't put my hand on that Glock without revealing I'm carrying, main reason to have the 365 in pocket.
If approached in a parking lot by someone "shady" I have the option to put my hand on the 365 (use to be a Kahr PM9).
If pocket carry only that does not afford quick access when seated, like in a vehicle or restaurant.
My carry is not based on what I perceive the threat level to be, it is based on what handgun I'd prefer to defend myself with, that is not reduced in a nice spot.
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