Why Only Semi's for Carry??

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... a Tom Givens quote I often share is...

"The 1911 is a one or two bad guy gun, in a three or four bad guy world."
For balance, a quote I like to share, this one from the late THR forum member, Stephen A. Camp, when asked about the capacity of the 1911 vs the Hi-Power,

"You'll probably run out of time before you run out of ammo."
 
Or as you choose to carry a Single stack 9mm semi auto ?
And that’s a much better choice than my preference of a 7shot 357. ?
Please elaborate or nit pick and deflect that simple question

Good question. I m a real fan of the 686+1. I have one. I do not carry it because of the size and the weight.

The single stack 9 is a compromise. I would rather have (and probably not need) 12 rounds. I have compromised on that. One reason is that I like the grip safety on my EZ 9.
 
The 1911 is my choice for a handgun, and has been for over 30 years. However, a Tom Givens quote I often share is...

"The 1911 is a one or two bad guy gun, in a three or four bad guy world."

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The reality is that we don't know how many bad guys are going to show up in our "world" unless we're in a war, then we can assume "lots and lots"
but then handguns will hardly serve as primary weapons
The best we can do is practice efficient reloading and have enough magazines or speed loaders on hand to to git 'er done or at least cover a retreat
 
Just watch Jerry Miculik- I Don’t feel that the Reload is slow, it’s reliable and Plenty Fast shooting.

1) You ain't him

2) He carries a semiauto for social purposes.

Don’t carry a firearm as a defense weapon then.

Stay home and don’t drive
Pure Argumentum ad Absurdum
So carry a rifle?
More Argumentum ad Absurdum
“ I prefer power” A hit with a 357 or 44spl Is most likely a more “Effective” cartridge than the semi auto 9mm
Bovine Excrement. The facts - real facts, based on science and experience, not your "opinion" - say otherwise.
The 9 mm semi auto lacks a lot of power and in my opinion is best suited to a purse gun.

My opinion.
Your opinion is pure Bovine Excrement
 
I’m your narrow opinion that dosnt assist in a productive conversation, like last few post.
 
Ps- In no way did I state I Was Jerry.

He was a example of fast reloading of a Revolver.

I showed that for Evidence and never stated I was him or as fast as him.

Now - What about the Subject?
Many can reload a revolver quickly. Perhaps not that fast- yet quickly.

Ive seen it and Have done it.
 
And The 44spl-357 has more Ft/lbs usually than a 9mm

That’s a fact and is what my point was in this discussion.

If you don’t like it that don’t discuss it.
 
The best we can do is practice efficient reloading and have enough magazines or speed loaders on hand to to git 'er done or at least cover a retreat
there are accounts of sworn officers reloading several times in an engagement. They have the duty of pursuing a fleeing felon to apprehend him, immediately, and the person can reasonably be expected to fight back, requiring additional defensive shooting by the officer.

A civilian defender should never pursue.

I cannot imagine many circumstances in which I would be engaged by two or three attackers, expend all of my ammunition, and then be afforded the time and opportunity to reload.

Reloading after the event may be indicated.
 
I’m your narrow opinion that dosnt assist in a productive conversation, like last few post.

Since I have the disadvantage of not knowing everything already (unlike you) I unfortunately have to rely on the opinions of experts on the subject.

And The 44spl-357 has more Ft/lbs usually than a 9mm

That is immaterial.

Now - What about the Subject?
Many can reload a revolver quickly. Perhaps not that fast- yet quickly.

Given the same amount of practice, one will always be able to reload a semi faster than a revolver.

But why would one ever need to? I thought "five was enough."

What you are doing here is called "moving the goalposts."
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
 
Is this how you have a nice discussion with someone who has a slightly different opinion than you?

9mm semi auto single stack

357 7 shot revolver

One has more power

If you don’t know what one, you shouldn’t carry a potato gun
 
9mm semi auto single stack

357 7 shot revolver

One has more power
The consensus of opinion of forensic medical experts is that the 9mm, with premium grade defensive ammunition, performs as well, in terms of terminal ballistics, as any other service round,.

I would never fire any of my revolvers indoors with full .357 Magnum loads.
 
Wasn’t talking about indoors, didn’t mention that.

Regardless of what words that you type

the 357 is More effective in delivery of Ft/lbs of energy or “Power”

If you want to carry a 22wmr to get more hits on target… by all means.
 
Well, a fine kettle o' fish we find ourselves in, yet again. Thread started by a member who asked about the viability of carrying a revolver rather than a semi-auto, presumably due to arthritis that he mentioned. Of course, he's since vanished and hasn't yet acknowledged the plethora of informative, logical, evidence-based and witty (you're welcome) posts in response to his questions. As always, every poster in the thread remained laser-focused on the thread-starter topic... uh, wait, never mind.

Somewhat predictably, the thread has degenerated into the usual discussion of how many rounds is enough for one's self-defense handgun, which platform (semi-auto vs. revolver) is really best for lethal force encounters, and the usual caliber superiority debate (9mm vs. .357 vs. .45 ACP).

Don't know about the OP, but I've opened another bag of cheese popcorn...
 
Is this how you have a nice discussion with someone who has a slightly different opinion than you?

9mm semi auto single stack

357 7 shot revolver

One has more power

If you don’t know what one, you shouldn’t carry a potato gun

"More power" is immaterial. "More power" means nothing in the context of defensive shooting. Because

The consensus of opinion of forensic medical experts is that the 9mm, with premium grade defensive ammunition, performs as well, in terms of terminal ballistics, as any other service round,.

Forensic medical experts that is, not bloviating internet know-it-alls.

What effects a stop is one or a combination of three things: 1) psychological stops where the assailant gives 2) blood loss to the extent that it prevents the attacker from continuing the fight 1) disabling the central nervous system. Lb-ft of energy is nowhere to be found.
 
Bdickens- staying on topic

My opinion of a powerful Revolver is Sufficient for Self defense
No need to attack another since opinion is different than yours- play nice!

A hit with a 357 or 44 spl Will most likely do more to save your bacon than a 9mm

That’s not difficult to agree with… Unless your in no. agreeable- And that seems like that’s what you want to be.

Geez man.
 
Is it difficult to have a discussion on opinions with people in social events?

Becouse this is a social event- a meeting place to discuss topics and learn opinions of one another.

I’m trying to do that- you may not agree - Yet no need to Be Aggressive about it
 
If My 7 shot 357 magnum Revolver dosnt resolve the issue, I highly doubt 7 more will.
You may be right--or not. We have seen defensive shootings that required 12 hits.

Wasn’t talking about indoors, didn’t mention that
I carry the same thing, indoors and out.

And The 44spl-357 has more Ft/lbs usually than a 9mm
"Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed “shock” of bullet impact is a fable and “knock down” power is a myth." --from a presentation to the Wound Ballistics Workshop, Quantico, VA, 1987.
 
A hit with a 357 or 44 spl Will most likely do more to save your bacon than a 9mm
I really dont see it making much of adifference with any of them. A good hit will bring likely bring about a good result, a poor one, a poor result.
 
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