Define “Mountain Rifle”

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Ok everyone the assignment is simple what do you think the term “mountain rifle” means I overheard a conversation and the first guy said “oh yeah I’m totally building a mountain rifle” second guy “ok cool what are you getting it in 6.5 manbun aka Creedmoor”

So I ask y’all here what is a Mountain rifle in your opinion?
 
I've hunted with my 375 H&H in the mountains, so it's a mountain gun.

Traditionally speaking they are light weight rifle in 308, 30-06, and now the 6.5s and a few others. Weight would be around 7 lbs with a synthetic stock in stainless metal. A light weight, all weather rifle.

This is typical definition. Iirc the m7 Remington would fit the description of a mountain rifle.
 
My monkey brain says......

Handier than a western game rifle, better range than an eastern woods rifle, and lighter than your deer rifle......on average anyway.....

Im pretty sure i own a couple "text book" mountain rifles, but my most normal rifle to be on the mountain with is closer to a heavy stalking rifle.
 
A rifle on the light end of the spectrum, and in a caliber that can reach way out. Upside is it's less effort to carry, downside is it's harder to shoot well because of its high recoil/weight ratio.

Like a 6#-8oz Kimber Mountain Ascent in .300WM.
 
I do almost all of my hunting is in the North GA mountains and I've hunted the mountains of Colorado a few times. The mountains are just as steep here in the east and just as rugged. The only difference is that I'm at 3000-6000' elevation here and 7000-12,000' in Colorado. It has always taken me 2-3 days to adjust to the altitude in the west and after that there isn't much difference.

A backpack hunt into one of the more rugged areas here way back in 1977 made a huge impression on me that I didn't want to lug around un-necessary weight. I chased light " Mountain Rifles" for a long time. Including a couple of Remington Mountain rifles.

But I also found that it was possible to have too much of a good thing. The Remington Mountain rifles and the Kimber I used to own were feather light, but that light weight made them harder to shoot accurately in the field.

Some criteria that I've settled on.

#1 I don't want a pencil thin or short barrel like used on many rifles. I want a full length 22"-24" barrel with a standard or maybe even a light varmint contour. The weight reduction needs to come from somewhere else. I do have a rifle with an 18" barrel, but it is my brush gun, not what I call a mountain rifle.

#2 After the 1977 hunt I started exploring lightweight synthetic stocks and settled on a Brown Precision in 1983. I haven't hunted with a wood stocked bolt rifle since. The better quality synthetics will save 1/2 to 3/4 lb plus they are tougher and more stable in changing environmental conditions. Most factory synthetics don't save you any weight, some do, so you have to choose carefully. Today I have some factory synthetics, but have McMillan Edge stocks on my go-to rifles.

#3 You can save a lot of weight with optics and mounts. MOST steel mounts will weigh 6-8 oz. The Burris Zee rings are pretty lightweight steel and a good choice. I like Talley Light weight mounts coming in at about 2-2.5 oz. Scopes matter too. I don't need more than 3-9X40 and there are many options in the 11-15 oz weight range. Many scopes, especially those with more magnification will weigh 18-20 oz.

#4 A short action rifle with everything else being equal is about 1/2" shorter overall and about 4 oz lighter. I've found that a 308 does everything a 30-06 does with less recoil in the same weight rifle. Or about the same recoil from a rifle 1 pound lighter.

#5 Some rifle actions are simply much heavier. Everything else being the same a Weatherby is about 1/2-3/4 lb heavier than a Remington. Fluted barrels take off 2-3 oz. without hurting accuracy. Not enough that I'd pay to have it done, but if buying one already fluted something to consider

#6 The cartridge is still personal preference. 6.5 CM, 7-08 and 308 would be great choices with plenty of reasonably priced ammo. But if someone just wants something else they will all work. Some guys prefer the long action 30-06 class of cartridges and others are good enough to shoot far enough to use a magnum.

None of those weight reduction strategies look like a lot individually, but all combined can make 2-3 lbs difference in how much you're carrying.

I've found somewhere between 7-8 lbs scoped is about right with 7 1/4 to 7 1/2 about perfect. I'd say 7 lbs is about the minimum. My Kimber was under 6 lbs scoped and just too light. A 7-7 1/2 lb rifle is light enough to easily carry, but with enough weight to shoot well. If I felt the need to go with a magnum rifle it is harder to get them much under 8 lbs and still be shootable.

On a budget I like the Ruger American rifles. Out of the box a Tikka T3x is about as good as it gets. But my personal "perfect" mountain rifle is my McMillan stocked Winchester 70 EW in 308. It's 7 1/4 lbs as pictured.

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A MGARMS Ultralight in 375AI (375Weatherby that can also shoot H&H). I Took the 3.5-10x40 Scope off ,as its on another as of now…. Yet it has a computer generated reticle for the specific Handload i use with drop comp dots every 100 yards. Had it built before I went to Africa. Has a Jewel trigger and Shoots A 270 triple shock group of 3 at 2800fps into a 1/4” At 100 yard- Honestly.
Claw extractor,Fluted barrel with detachable muzzle brake. Triple Leaf open site. Around 6 lbs , then add light weight Scope and ammo.

A One all hunting rifle I’d take after anything, in the Mountains,Forest,Desert,Rain forest,Swamp,Arctic circle….. 54600B3E-D7E5-47B1-AECB-6E85AB7E1A96.jpeg
 
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Something light and sleek that can be carried all day in rough terrain. I think the weight requirement is adjustable by age; a 20-something can tolerate a pound or 2 more than some of us older guys.

To me, maybe 8# with scope in a relatively flat shooting cartridge big enough for elk. A M70 Featherweight, or similar, in 270 WSM checks most of my boxes.
 
Something that weighs less than 15 pounds*, has a water-proof scope, that is fairly bump resistant, and is fitted with a sling.

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* Weight requirement can vary depending on who's carrying it, the hunter, or a porter.
 
"Mountain rifle" just means lighter than normal model.

Some versions may shave a few ounces over a typical production model, some might have significant weight savings (Remington made some on a Titanium action with Kevlar stocks and fluted barrels).

If I were to acquire one for myself, I'd probably grab a Tikka T3x Lite in either 6.5CM or 7mm-08. With careful selection of optics/mounts, it'll still be capable of reaching out and not too heavy or light.
 
Look into My First post. MGARMS - They make specifically to your requirements what your thread is about. Craig Boddington thought Highly.
Bayside Custom Gun works- Chris can make a Xp to your requirements/cartridge.

Both companies are excellent at what they can do. Either would be exceptional at a high mountain hiking firearm for hunting.
 
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As far as production rifles, when I think of "mountain rifles", I'm thinking at least 30cal, bolt action, 9lbs or less. Tikka Tx3 lite, Savage 110 Storm, Kimber Hunter, these would all be examples of production guns I would consider "mountain" rifles. My X-Bolt Pro Long Range 300wm is probably pushing the limits of what I would want to hike through mountains with. But if I get the chance anytime soon, that's what I'll be taking.
 
Another niche product designed to increase sales by expanding the market.

Take a look at pre WW2 commercial rifles, they were lighter than the monster rifles cranked out now. I would say, those older rifles were the weight of the "mountain" rifles, because the old timers walked everywhere, unlike today, where ATV's are loaded up with hundreds of pounds of gear, and out of shape old men drive to their hunting point.
 
My Ruger American Ranch 450 BM weighs 6 lbs 8 ozs loaded with optic. I didn’t even mean to and I got a mountain rifle. I suppose the 308 version would fit better with the predominant idea of this thread though.
 
Mountain Rifle has generally been any ultralite weight bolt gun chambered in an elk class rifle. A bunch of companies were putting together pencil barrels or carbon wrapped tubes with full length actions in very light weight plastic stocks. 30-06, 270, 7RM, 300WM just under 5 pounds without a scope. Add in aluminum bases/mounts with a lightweight optic for a total weight close to 6 pounds. I've shot a couple of examples back in the 90s. Hopefully they have become more refined since as both Remington I handled were not balanced so aiming offhand was challenging. Lots of muzzle whip with recoil from 180 grain 30-06 loads. I decided putting a factory synthetic on my ADL at 9 pounds loaded was perfectly fine for my trips west. Maybe if you are hiking miles in and backpack tenting for a week it's worth the weight reduction. I honestly think the best thing people can do is have a reasonable sized optic and a good carrying sling.
 
When I was 33, any rifle I had was a mountain rifle, at 73, none on them are a mountain rifle! And I have a fairly well distributed selection to choose from too! Today it’s not so much the rifle as it is the mountain!
 
"Mountain Rifle" has become passé.

Just about every manufacturer has a lightweight model that fits the bill. Nowadays, all the cool kids are building/buying "sheep rifles":

https://www.hillcountryrifles.com/p...6.0 and 7.0,in recoil, and extremely accurate.

https://www.impactguns.com/Bolt-Act...ake-KUIU-Camo-Custom-Shop-959074-KUIU-959074/

I've not hunted sheep, but I've hunted Chamois in Austria (4). Back then I used a 9+ lb Steyer Mod M in .270 with a steel Swarovski 2.2-9X40 scope.

Now I'm older and know better.
 
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