Massad Ayoob on Two Aspects of Home Defense

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I sent the following to some friends today....

Massad Ayoob is a writer, instructor, expert witness, and former police officer. He was at one time the Vice President for Forensic Evidence of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Massad is the son of a jeweler and the grandson of a Syrian Bedouin trader who once traveled in a camel caravan.

I know Massad. We have corresponded, I have taken an extensive course under him, and he has published my writing in a magazine.

The linked video covers two subjects. The first involves the carrying of a defensive firearm on one's person while at home, and the other is an excellent discussion of armed self defense by women. Both are worth watching and thinking about.

On the first: a dozen or so years ago when the subject of carrying in the house was first mentioned to me, the idea seemed way beyond ludicrous. Come on! Jeez! Everyone I knew who kept a firearm for home defense kept it in the bedroom. They probably imagined that that 'bump in the night' would happen at night, and if not, they would just mosey on into the bedroom if....

Fuhgedaboudit. That strategy is only viable in a pop-up camper. Try Massad's thought process--consider how long would it take for____ , etc. I would add a couple of things: consider all possible points of ingress and other what ifs, and understand the speed with which things would likely unfold. In screen fiction, they slow it down to increase the dramatic effect, and to ensure that the audience does not miss anything.

Try different scenarios, using flashlights. Use a stopwatch. Pay your helpers only when they beat you.

It should now be crystal clear why calling 911 cannot save the day.

The second part of the video is a pointed attack on the sexist notion that armed self defense is the man's domain. Massad hits that notion hard--and very well.



One never wants to have to point a gun at or shoot anyone. But there is a worse alternative.
 
I see in video he Chooses a Revolver to demonstrate. I find that interesting as he is a Expert with a Revolver and Semi auto. Perhaps the simple functionality of a Revolver under distressing circumstances would result in a better executed plan. He may have decided that subconsciously or voluntary as he has vast knowledge. No One can interpret that regardless of a fancy explanation for the novice or experienced Person handling the firearm in a defense circumstance.
Regarding the carry of a firearm within the secured home. I find it prudent to be prepared. I have The Rapid safes in my home. With quick access from use of a wristband, it can accommodate my needs for safety with children in the home and ability to defend my home. Slipping a pocket gun into my PJs …. While relaxing at home. I don’t feel I need to do that- It’s overly precautionary In my opinion and a bit much as well. Yet I have a wristband on when home.
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*These are my opinions, They don’t have to be yours or corrected- Tho I will discuss them politely.
 
I rotate various Revolvers that I carry from Rapid safes to my hip for daily carry. Simple operation for Spouse and Myself. I believe that sound critical thought when a Adrenaline rush can cause interference of operation, for Novice or Expert.
Also my Spouse is not as much involved in courses, training or enthusiasm about carry as I am. I’m sure this is a common trend, hence the Simplest operation of Firearm is my Choice.

*My opinion, dosnt have to be yours or corrected, yet I’ll discuss politely
 
The Discussion was about A firearm at/in the Home. My Spouse is In the home-is a novice. Would gain access to Whatever Firearm is in the Rapid safes. Since the subject pertaining to is about Woman/House- I felt my post was “relevant” to the subject matter.

Obviously my post is not in your viewpoint, again.

Have a good day
 
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Not sure why you would delete a post that provides a safe alternative for your thread.
Yet-
If your going to discuss a Subject like carry of a Firearm on your person in a house. Please think about people reading this other than your own guidelines. Perhaps people want to carry on person, Yet they feel it’s unsafe or spouse feels that way for Whatever reason.
As they read this ,a “Alternate approach” to accomplish the similar goal can be Suggested- As I have. In your opinion or not- it is a “Relevant” Posting as I take this subject very serious in my Limited Carry ability while in my home.

*My Opinion,Dosnt have to be Yours or Corrected- Yet I’ll discuss it politely.

Have a good “Safe Day” with your family.
 
Not sure why you would delete a post that provides a safe alternative for your thread.
It was your snide comment. Watch it.

Please think about people reading this other than your own guidelines.
Not "my own Guidelines". The OP introduced a discussion by Massad Ayoob in which he outlined his reasons for recommending home carry.

The keeping of guns in safes and the rotation of guns from safes to one's hip for "daily" carry is not on topic.

It may be a reasonable thing to do, but it would be a topic for another thread. I would suggest that people who want to try that perform some realistic simulations. As previously said,

Try different scenarios, using flashlights. Use a stopwatch. Pay your helpers only when they beat you.
 
Is the Topic not Defense of House with a sidearm “in” the house? How about discussion for slight difference of viewpoint for all people? And not splitting hairs.

A Loaded firearm on my hip in my house- I feel isn’t needed. Is a different viewpoint not to be Allowed?

If you want to perceive a comment as Snide/ that’s your perception, as it was not intended that way.

It’s just odd you can’t discuss a opinion difference. Or ability to explain How you came to this tactic… when you started where I am… Not in agreement with this tactic




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On the first: a dozen or so years ago when the subject of carrying in the house was first mentioned to me, the idea seemed way beyond ludicrous. Come on! Jeez! Everyone I knew who kept a firearm for home defense kept it in the bedroom. They probably imagined that that 'bump in the night' would happen at night, and if not, they would just mosey on into the bedroom if.....[/QUOTE]
 
Yet you Are discussing a firearm “In” the house, loaded when it’s on your person. That’s how it’s perceived when I walk into my house. As many others I’m sure perceive it also.

I’m going to step away from your thread.

I see you don’t want to discuss your point A to B process of how you got to your conclusion of carry inside of the house

Not telling you what to do, Yet -Have a good day
 
The nature of criminality has changed, which makes the idea of being armed at more sensible.
For example, there have been reports of people impersonating USPS, UPS, and FedEx delivery staff.

A criminal could "hide in plain sight" wearing a tool belt, a reflective vest, and a yellow hard hat.
That same criminal could talk his way (or strong arm) his way into a home. Passersby wouldn't even notice.

Those kinds of dynamics are why a firearm "upstairs behind the bedroom door" is not close enough.
If home watching a movie at night on my sofa, a firearm is on the end table immediately next to me.
 
I just don’t know how you got to where your at now,
Mas explained it very well.

I see you don’t want to discuss your point A to B process of how you got to your conclusion of carry inside of the house
You could not wait four minutes?

Consider the points of ingress, consider how long it would take for someone to move from any of them to anywhere else in the house, consider where one might be at any point in time, consider whether one would be able to access a secure firearm safely and timely in all circumstances....

Those and the obviation of the need to put the gun on and off when going and coming led to my conclusion.
 
The Alternative rapid safe i use keeps multiple firearms Throughout the Home. Very fast access.

My Spouse dosnt agree with a Loaded firearm on my person “In the house”. As I’m sure many spouses probably think that also.

I can see why that would be a idea if I was under different circumstances in my house.

So I discussed that- sorry if You are not in agreement.

If Mas Explained- And we are discussing?!? Your opinion

How is it not Related in my Post?

Pehaps Not Quoteing me or my response will let you continue on Your thread without my opposition or different viewpoint cluttering up your Ideology .

Once again- I’m not telling You what to do, Yet-Have a good day.
 
The nature of criminality has changed, which makes the idea of being armed at more sensible.
For example, there have been reports of people impersonating USPS, UPS, and FedEx delivery staff....
Those possibilities do enter into the risk assessment and may influence the mitigation strategy.

I really haven't given them very much thought, but I cannot see how the possibilities should influence what I do on this subject.

But when it comes to answering the door, keeping it locked, and seeing who may be on the porch, those are good reminders.
 
Very good point I’ve never thought of- That’s a Life saving post. Thank you for pointing that out.

The nature of criminality has changed, which makes the idea of being armed at more sensible.
For example, there have been reports of people impersonating USPS, UPS, and FedEx delivery staff.

A criminal could "hide in plain sight" wearing a tool belt, a reflective vest, and a yellow hard hat.
That same criminal could talk his way (or strong arm) his way into a home. Passersby wouldn't even notice.

Those kinds of dynamics are why a firearm "upstairs behind the bedroom door" is not close enough.
If home watching a movie at night on my sofa, a firearm is on the end table immediately next to me.
 
One useful exercise is to get some cheap airsoft pellet guns. You can find them at the toy store, transparent with pellets, spring loaded. You have to cock them for each shot but that's not the point. Put them in your boxes, hiding places, etc. Then have a buddy with one, come in your front door , back door, garage door, etc. with the mission to find and 'shoot' you. See if you can get to your 'gun' in time to respond. Be in different places in your home, sitting, standing, in the bath room, closet, etc. Obviously, you know a time frame when the friend will entire but there isn't a 'go' signal. The friend enters and see what happens. You will be surprised how long it takes you to retrieve a weapon and how quickly the 'bad guy' gets to you.

As far as delivery people, sign up for the UPS or Amazon alerts about a delivery. Never open for an unexpected one where you don't see the person or an identifiable vehicle. If you think it is funky, don't open.
 
I think the subject was very clearly enunciated in the OP. Carrying while at home and armed defense by women.

The whole issue of women and armed defense galls me. Women are just as capable of, and responsible for, armed defense of themselves as anybody else.

Trying to say they can't "because it's someone else's responsibility" or that they shouldn't "because male reasons" is a steaming pile of horse manure. I find it offensive NOT because I'm offended on the behalf of others, but because it's obviously using a gender inequality excuse to excuse a gender inequality bias.

PEOPLE...male/female, whatever race, creed, color, etc., have an inherent right to defend themselves. And that includes whatever "force multipliers" may be able to assist them in that defense.
 
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