Ejection issues with my new SAR9

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Picked up a SAR9 a while back and a few weeks ago was finally able to get it to the range. Out of 40 rounds fired I had 9 stovepipes as well as the spent casings that were ejected came straight back at me and not very forcefully.
I was running Armscor 119 grain FMJ at the time.

Tried it again a week later with Winchester white box 119 grain FMJ with almost similar results.

Contacted Sarsilmaz SAR USA and they claim the gun was designed to shoot 124 grain rounds. Okay, I bought a box of STE Golden Bee and will be trying it out next week when I can get back to the range.
I also checked online and some SAR9s do not like 119 grain but this can be remedied by either shortening the trigger spring or by leaving the slide in the locked back position for an undisclosed amount of time. Mine's been locked back now for a couple of days.
 
115 grain?

I fired about 250 rounds of 124gr NATO through my Kahr CM9 and Rohrbaugh R9 for the first rounds fired. For the Kahr, I suppose they call that a breaking in period. Just reading the forums, the people who had trouble on their first range trip were using 115gr ammo - some of it pretty anemic - like Blazzer Brass. The people who used 124gr ammo experienced fewer problems.

The cost of ammo is crazy high, if you don't have a stash of 9mm NATO already it is going to be expensive to get some...
 
C0untZer0 said:
115 grain?

I fired about 250 rounds of 124gr NATO through my Kahr CM9 and Rohrbaugh R9 for the first rounds fired. For the Kahr, I suppose they call that a breaking in period. Just reading the forums, the people who had trouble on their first range trip were using 115gr ammo - some of it pretty anemic - like Blazzer Brass. The people who used 124gr ammo experienced fewer problems.

The cost of ammo is crazy high, if you don't have a stash of 9mm NATO already it is going to be expensive to get some...
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Sorry, 115 grain...... It's late. Yes, I do have about 500 rounds stashed but only 50 rounds of the 124 grain. My other two handle 115 grain with no problem.
 
Tim from MAC on YouTube had a lot of problems with his SAR9. Then again, Tim seems to break everything.

Regardless, I love Sarsilmaz CZ clones. But it appears from other online sources that their other options might be lacking.

I think that also goes for most Turkish striker guns other than Canik, and even some of those appear finicky as well.
 
My canik tp9sfx didn't like anything 115 or lighter under 1150 for a while...Handloads at 1200 and 124/5s at 1150 ran fine.
Think the Turks are sprung a little heavy.......tho I've also heard of folks having no issues at all.
 
Yes, I really think it is a strong recoil spring "problem". It is very likely that in Turkey the recoil springs of the 9mm pistols are set for 124gr NATO spec ammo. It is well known that in Europe 9mm ammunitions are hotter than the ammunitions sold in the USA. Your SAR9 probably just needs a break-in period with 124gr hot ammo. It will take a few hundred rounds to tame the recoil spring (200 or 300). One piece of advice I can give you is to store the pistol with the slide in the hold open position: it should help.
 
Galloway makes spring/guide rod kits, could drop to a 15lb from the stock 17....17 dosent sound real heavy to me.
With some reading i think my canik shipped with a 19, and has a significantly heavier slide (optic attached), new caniks are supposed to be shipping with a 17...
 
Problems with new guns, with fresh/new recoil spring assemblies, and cheap, lightweight, usually 115 gr, 9mm training ammo is extremely common for a variety of firearms.

Think of a recoil spring on a bell curve. When new, it may be too strong to work well with weak ammo, in the middle of its' lifespan it will work well with all ammo, at the end of the recoil spring life, you'll probably have problems with ammo that is too strong.

Edit to add: Bulk, lightweight (usually 115 gr), 9mm training ammo, is the least expensive 9mm ammo. It is probably the least expensive for a reason.
 
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Also, it's not specifically 115 gr ammo. It is low recoil impulse ammo, and 115gr ball training ammo is usually the weakest.

You could probably shoot 115 gr defensive hollow point ammo, or +P, or +P+ 115 gr ammo with no problems. Eventually, you should be able to shoot the weakest, cheapest, lightest weight 9mm ammo you can find through your gun. However, the recoil spring is probably set up for a long life, and that means it is probably too strong, when new, for cheap, lightweight ammo to function properly.
 
Ejection issues with my new SAR9

Hmmm...........read that again, slowly. Ejection issues with a new semi auto. Break it in first, and with heavier stuff as has been suggested.
 
entropy said:
Ejection issues with my new SAR9

Hmmm...........read that again, slowly. Ejection issues with a new semi auto. Break it in first, and with heavier stuff as has been suggested.
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I'm not sure I got that via osmosis, maybe if you repeat it again and again and again in that condescending way it might sink in........... :cool:
 
JTQ said:
Also, it's not specifically 115 gr ammo. It is low recoil impulse ammo, and 115gr ball training ammo is usually the weakest.

You could probably shoot 115 gr defensive hollow point ammo, or +P, or +P+ 115 gr ammo with no problems. Eventually, you should be able to shoot the weakest, cheapest, lightest weight 9mm ammo you can find through your gun. However, the recoil spring is probably set up for a long life, and that means it is probably too strong, when new, for cheap, lightweight ammo to function properly.
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I have found 124 grain seems to be available, one just has to look a little harder. AmmoSeek is a good site to see who has the ammo you want and the overall/per round price.
 
entropy said:
Basically, autos more often than not need a break in period, usually between 250-500 rounds. Sorry, I was trying to be funny, not condescening; hadn't had my morning Mountain Dew yet.;)
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No problem, I was trying to be funny back. Looks like we both need more caffeine...... :p
This site needs better emoticons.
 
9 malfunctions out of 40 rounds is horrendous, even for a cheapo gun. Make sure you're not limp-wristing. If problem persists, cut off two coils from the RS.
 
Otto said:
9 malfunctions out of 40 rounds is horrendous, even for a cheapo gun. Make sure you're not limp-wristing. If problem persists, cut off two coils from the RS.
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Nope, not limpwristing. I'm keeping the slide locked back which is also supposed to help. I'm also picking up more 124 grain NATO rounds which will help break it in.
 
If you have to run 124gr nato rounds for the gun to run there is a problem. I had a Canik TP9SFX that was over sprung like that. It needed hot ammo to eject properly. I contacted Century Arms and told them about the issue. They sent me a lighter recoil spring so regular 9mm ammo would function. Having to run hot ammo is not a solution.
 
railroader said:
Having to run hot ammo is not a solution.
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It's not a permanent solution, just a temporary work around.

I suspect the OP's factory recoil spring assembly will work fine with all ammo from probably 100 - 200 rounds to beyond 5,000 rounds.

Conversely, a lighter recoil spring assembly will probably have a shorter life span.

We get to choose which way we want to compromise. I'd stick with the factory supplied spring.
 
At some point, the inexpensive 115 gr ammo should work in your gun. I'm interested to know at what round count that happens.
 
JTQ said:
At some point, the inexpensive 115 gr ammo should work in your gun. I'm interested to know at what round count that happens.
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Unfortunately I'm not really paying attention to round count. Right now I think I may have 60 or 70 rounds through it but that's a guess.
 
I suspect somewhere between 100 - 200 it should work with the 115 gr stuff, but I'm just guessing.
 
JTQ said:
I suspect somewhere between 100 - 200 it should work with the 115 gr stuff, but I'm just guessing.
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I also had the slide held back for about a week which is supposed to help. Was busy shooting my 12 gauges more so and never thought to try the 115 grain in the SAR to see if it would work now, next trip.
 
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