Investigators say gun used in Truck Park bar shooting linked to straw purchase

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These A-Holes are everywhere. These straw purchasers will always surface to make a profit arming gangs and other prohibited purchasers. It's kind of hard to enforce since the details of ownership only come out during the course of an investigation but once somebody has the straw purchaser red handed, I say throw the book at em. My uncles friend was an FFL for a brief time, had a lil shop in his garage out in east bumshoe. The big heavy set blonde with the gold hoop earrings, who knew nothing of guns and walked in with her two black "boyfirends" set alarm bells off in his head and when they pointed at the Glock 9mm and Taurus .357 and gave her the nod, she said "I'll take these two". He said "no you won't, take your game somewhere else, no sale". She was like "what the whaaaat, huh, no these are for me". He was just not having it.

I imagine all to many FFL's and their employ turn a blind eye, make the sale no matter what types, in these cases I think the seller and the buyer should have the book thrown at them. On the other hand, I think your wife or mother or brother or any close relative should be able to purchase a gun for a family member, as a gift or whatever. I know there are times I wished I just had my wife with me at a gun show because 9-10 times I get a stupid delay and when you hit the show and find that deal, the last thing you wanna do is get a 3 day delay when they are likely going to be half way across the country by the time your BGC clears. Annoying.
 
My LGS is very keen on straw purchases. My wife and I were shopping for a gun for her. It was a present, so she wanted me to pay for it.

Minor ruckus until we showed them our id's and swore she was legal to buy a gun.

We did the paperwork in her name and used her credit card just to put everybody at ease.
 
MrChicken said:
My LGS is very keen on straw purchases. My wife and I were shopping for a gun for her. It was a present, so she wanted me to pay for it.

Minor ruckus until we showed them our id's and swore she was legal to buy a gun.

We did the paperwork in her name and used her credit card just to put everybody at ease.
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None of the gun stores my wife and I frequent are that "keen" about it. The fact is, I can't even remember the last time I've written out a check for anything. My wife carries and uses the checkbook - I don't. It's a joint account anyway, so I don't know what difference it makes.
At any rate, the way it usually goes if I'm the one purchasing the gun is like this: my wife writes out the check while I'm filling out the paperwork. And if she's the one purchasing the gun, she writes out the check after she's filled out the paperwork and the person behind the counter is doing their part. Both my wife and I have CCW licenses, and in Idaho, CCW licenses take the place of phone-in background checks.
Purchasing the Ruger "American Rimfire" for my wife's birthday last year was just a little different. I knew my wife had been looking for a Ruger "American Rimfire" like that one for a while, and I was in Sportsman's Warehouse by myself when I spotted it. So I actually called my wife with my cell phone (she was over in Fred Meyer's grocery shopping) and told her to come over to Sportsman's.
She filled out the paperwork that time, but I put the purchase on the credit card I carry in my wallet. It's a joint credit card account anyway, so like I said - I don't know what difference it makes. And it apparently didn't make any difference to the Sportsman's Warehouse people.
BTW - a month or so later, my wife wrote out the check to pay our credit card bill which included the Ruger "American Rimfire" purchase.;)
 
I worked at a LGS about 30 miles from Gary, IN. The far left political machine there determined that it was the gun shop’s fault that their crime rate was through the roof, not the open drug dealing and corrupt police and politicians

They tried multiple times to get our store to sell to straw purchasers, to the point of lying openly. We had a microphone installed above the counter and recorded all conversations. If anyone other than the potential purchaser that cleared the 4473 made ANY comment about getting the firearm or even tried to volunteer to help fund the purchase, it was cancelled

I can assure you that none of our employees would risk prison time to sell to a questionable purchaser. We got no commission or incentive for sales by unit. No upside and plenty of downside
 
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You uncle's friend could have been the target of an ATF test.

A few years ago, I was in a gun shop in Tennessee when two white guys who looked like they just stepped out of military or police boot camp came in, showed Virginia ID and tried to persuade the dealer to make a sale that would have been illegal for him to make to a Virginia resident under VA law. He not only refused the sale, but picked up the phone and started to call the local ATF field office, accusing the men of being ATF agents. The men left.

We are six miles from the Virginia border. There have been and maybe still are special reporting rules. Not just straw purchase (lie for the other guy) or purchase with intent to resale (dealing without a license). Gun shops and pawnshops on both sides of the border call the police on used guns to have an NCIC check done to see if they have been reported stolen. There was and probably still is a pattern of guns stolen in one state pawned or sold in the other. When my son bought identical rifles, one for himself and one as a gift to me, he was advised by the dealer that showing a pattern of purchases of identical multiple firearms could lead to future delays in processing his 4473s.

Last year New Black Panthers pulled a classic straw purchase scenario at the Volunteer Pawnshop in Johnson City TN: a group came in, one or two looked at and picked out guns, then another was to make the purchase and pass the BG check. The dealer told them he could not make a sale under those circumstances. He explained to them that if the person who looked and picked was the one same one who offered to buy and pass the TN and Federal background checks, there would have been no problem. (You complete a straw sale to an ATF stinger, you can loose your FFL, maybe get charged with a felony.) They got mad at him and angrily confronted him leading to a scuffle. So they came back the next days and staged protests, claiming he refused to sell to them because they were black. I think the pawnbroker was set up for an excuse to stage a protest over a faux grievance. But it sure looked like a straw purchase sting.
Channel 11 Staff, "Heavy JCPD presence Monday at Volunteer Pawn on W. Walnut Street as protesters gathered", WJHL, 29 Jul 2020.
https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/hea...pawn-on-w-walnut-street-as-protesters-gather/
Alanya Clay, "Business manager of Johnson City pawn shop found not guilty on assault charges", News 5 WCYB, 26 Aug 2020.
https://wcyb.com/news/local/busines...awn-shop-found-not-guilty-on-assault-charges/
 
Too many localities don't bother a 'straw-man' purchaser. Especially if they're on the 'look how evil guns are' wagon. Ever notice how many people arrested for murder or armed robbery are already under indictment for a felony or have been convicted of a felony? For that faction, just makes more propaganda about how more gun laws are needed.
 
Illegal gun possession (i.e. by a felon) is the first charge dropped in the course of plea bargaining in my neck of the woods. No possession charge , no investigation of source , be it theft or straw buyer.
Law enforcement scarcely has the manpower to commit to hunting down straw buyers.

We need more gun laws!!!
 
Waveski said:
Illegal gun possession (i.e. by a felon) is the first charge dropped in the course of plea bargaining in my neck of the woods. No possession charge , no investigation of source , be it theft or straw buyer.
Law enforcement scarcely has the manpower to commit to hunting down straw buyers.

We need more gun laws!!!
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Add proven inability to enforce the laws on the books plus what seems an outward defiance toward law and you have a near perfect storm.
 
LA County’s DA refuses to charge people with gun enhancements because, “they disproportionately affect neighborhoods of color”. Sadly, these same neighborhoods are the ones these predators are shooting up nightly.

Man, I’d love to see a brain scan of anyone who thinks that makes sense. If there is anything that registers on it, I’ll be shocked.

Hold accountable those who criminally obtain or use firearms and the crime rate will drop. Allow those who commit violent crimes free reign, the rates explode. It’s only been that way since, oh, I don’t know…the beginning of civilization. o_O

Stay safe.
 
This entire "failing to prosecute gun crimes" is just part of what one or two pundits (Tucker Carlson the most recent I've noted) are calling "lowered expectations" in the big northern cities controlled by just one political party... In short they use every excuse under the sun not to prosecute or jail active felons in areas like Chicago and others in situations where you can be pretty certain that once back on the street those offenders aren't going to be harmless at all...

Finally poor old Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst modern president we've elected - the guy in charge now, and all the folks who support him... have taken that prize. Wish it weren't so...
 
My Intell training included emphasis on destabilizing govt/countries using dissemination of false information and demoralization. Part of the latter was to diminish hope amongst the enemies ranks by creating fear and chaos. Of late I am seeing this from the wrong end. Anyone else feel like their living in a occupied country?
 
According to the KSTP report Horton bought 33 guns from 6 different stores in the last 4 months. 4 of the stores were Fleet Farm branches. The other 2 stores were local gun shops.

I understand ATF can trace a particular gun (in this case a Mossberg handgun used in the Truck Park shooting) from the manufacturer, to the distributer, to the retailer and finally to a particular buyer. The 4473's are kept by the retailer as I understand it.

How can the ATF trace what guns Horton bought in the last 4 months unless they do an audit of the local gunshops and their FFL's 4473's and look for Horton's name on them. What am I missing?
 
lemaymiami said:
This entire "failing to prosecute gun crimes" is just part of what one or two pundits (Tucker Carlson the most recent I've noted) are calling "lowered expectations" in the big northern cities controlled by just one political party... In short they use every excuse under the sun not to prosecute or jail active felons in areas like Chicago and others in situations where you can be pretty certain that once back on the street those offenders aren't going to be harmless at all......
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Further proof that figures can lie and liars can figure. If you don't arrest, and/or don't prosecute entire segments of the crime landscape, you can obliterate and obfuscate entire sets of crime statistics, and artificially skew the numbers. It you don't stop folk for petty larceny, you get to claim a huge reduction in petty larceny, and make the claim that arrests in petty larceny are down.... It's not about the stats anymore, it's about manipulation of the numbers.
 
westhope said:
According to the KSTP report Horton bought 33 guns from 6 different stores in the last 4 months. 4 of the stores were Fleet Farm branches. The other 2 stores were local gun shops.

I understand ATF can trace a particular gun (in this case a Mossberg handgun used in the Truck Park shooting) from the manufacturer, to the distributer, to the retailer and finally to a particular buyer. The 4473's are kept by the retailer as I understand it.

How can the ATF trace what guns Horton bought in the last 4 months unless they do an audit of the local gunshops and their FFL's 4473's and look for Horton's name on them. What am I missing?
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It's possible Horton kept records or the receipts of the guns he purchased. Possibly to make sure he didn't hit one LGS too often. So when the hit him with a search warrant they found all that info.
 
lemaymiami said:
This entire "failing to prosecute gun crimes" is just part of what one or two pundits (Tucker Carlson the most recent I've noted) are calling "lowered expectations" in the big northern cities controlled by just one political party... In short they use every excuse under the sun not to prosecute or jail active felons in areas like Chicago and others in situations where you can be pretty certain that once back on the street those offenders aren't going to be harmless at all...

Finally poor old Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst modern president we've elected - the guy in charge now, and all the folks who support him... have taken that prize. Wish it weren't so...[/QUOTE

Politicians and prosecutors who want gun control push a narrative that guns are the issue. By choosing not to prosecute gun crimes they all crime ridden cities and towns to remain chaotic, in hopes that the public demands new gun laws.

For example: DA Foxx in Chicago refusing to charge anyone in that 4 way gun fight. Someone in that group had to be a prohibited person with a firearm. And its safe to assume none of that group had the proper permits either
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I understand they spent a week or so at our LGS scanning 4473.s back to 68. Ostensibly for cross matching names and CC from pot shops. This should be interesting.
 
If existing gun laws were enforced we wouldn't need to be bombarded with the need for new ones! The maximum 10 years for a straw purchase sounds about right here, where the gun was used in a deadly shooting.

Project Exile proved we had enough gun laws back int he 90s if they'd actually been enforced: https://www.policechiefmagazine.org...odel-for-firearms-crime-reduction-strategies/

Maybe they can use this guys "records" to track down other felons in possession of a firearm and prosecute them. Probably not, as this would actually be getting guns out of "the wrong hands" and putting real criminals in jail for "gun crime".
 
A friend working at a FFL was offered a LARGE bonus, read "bribe" to sell a pistol to a Saudi.
One of those foreigners we think is friendly enough to teach how to fly our planes.
 
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