P5 Guy
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Welcome to Florida. July is a challenge. A fanny pack makes carry more comfortable when the temperature and humidity are both 90 plus
Carry Everywhere You Can
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Welcome to Florida. July is a challenge. A fanny pack makes carry more comfortable when the temperature and humidity are both 90 plus
"not worth the hassle" sounds lackadaisical to me.
I'll offer some words, pick the one that best matches "not worth the hassle":
-proactive
-prepared
-lackadaisical
Insulted? Using a term that best describes a behavior is an insult?
How about this, "You don't carry when you could, that sounds proactive"
Perhaps this, "Not carrying a gun when you can, you're prepared"
Is that better?
I've called it gun forum show & tell before as applied to what some people post they carry, they want show & tell but no questions or especially critique.
Example: they post, "I usually carry a 32 but a 9mm when I feel the need" - If they do not want anything other than compliments they should say so.
Typical comment from me, "You would rather defend yourself with a 32 than a 9mm?" - If they are unreceptive to question or comment, why post.
Now it has expanded to people not wanting the appropriate term used to describe a behavior.
I've been in FL since Dec.
Smallest gun I've carried is a Glock 19 including walking the dogs in my "good area", shopping, casual bicycle ride, errands.
The patterned "fishing" shirts sold at Bealls (and elsewhere) are lightweight and not only conducive to hot weather, but concealment too.
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AlexanderA
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There are risks involved in carrying, and risks involved in not carrying. You have to weigh them against each other. This is not an automatic decision.
The way I see it, I don't have any compelling reason to carry. Certainly not anything that would outweigh the downsides. Your own personal situation might be different.
The worst possible reason to carry is "because you can." There are lots of things that you can do, but you don't. The "freedom" to do something does not trump good sense.
The way I see it, I don't have any compelling reason to carry. Certainly not anything that would outweigh the downsides. Your own personal situation might be different.
The worst possible reason to carry is "because you can." There are lots of things that you can do, but you don't. The "freedom" to do something does not trump good sense.
Bazoo
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My wife and I were at a Denny’s eating. The folks inside started acting concerned, I asked a waitress what was going on. She said the gas station next door was just robbed. My wife leaned over and said “you do have your gun don’t you?” I said, of course. She said “just checking”.
That hit home for me some, although I was carrying constantly at the time. It reinforced the need.
Then there was an attempted kidnapping at a Walmart a town over that we sometimes visit. That hit home. I don’t know the details.
Then there was the guy that was doing some light stalking on the wife. When we lived in the edge of the town. He’d drive by and watch. When we’d notice he’d drive off in a hurry. Once he hollered at her as he drove by. One day he waved for her to come out to his truck. He had a buddy with him that time. Would he have grabbed her and took off? Or just sweet talked her?
Right or wrong, Not only do I carry everywhere I can, I avoid places I cannot carry.
That hit home for me some, although I was carrying constantly at the time. It reinforced the need.
Then there was an attempted kidnapping at a Walmart a town over that we sometimes visit. That hit home. I don’t know the details.
Then there was the guy that was doing some light stalking on the wife. When we lived in the edge of the town. He’d drive by and watch. When we’d notice he’d drive off in a hurry. Once he hollered at her as he drove by. One day he waved for her to come out to his truck. He had a buddy with him that time. Would he have grabbed her and took off? Or just sweet talked her?
Right or wrong, Not only do I carry everywhere I can, I avoid places I cannot carry.
.308 Norma
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"Potentially" icy surface? Do you mean like anywhere outside in this part of Idaho anytime from 2 weeks ago (opening day of deer season BTW) until sometime next May?
In a couple of hours, I'm going to go to a Veteran's funeral (my post of the American Legion is providing the military honors) and it's raining and spitting snow out there. Nevertheless, I'll be carrying.
AlexanderA
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My concern in a slip-and-fall would be damaging the gun, almost as much as injuring myself. I guess you have to be a collector to understand this.
mcb
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I took a fall last time out at the hunting property working on the road into the property. Slipped on some slick mud and landed on my 105 year old Webley MkVI hard enough to leave a revolver (mostly cylinder) shape bruise on my hip. They are tougher than you are in most cases.
.308 Norma
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Yep. Six years ago on Thanksgiving morning, I slipped and fell coming down a muddy slope while out pheasant hunting. I broke my ankle in 3 places and put a spiral break up my right fibula. But my old Browning A-5 "Light-12" was okay once I got the mud cleaned off, and out of it.
The arthritis in my right ankle warns me when there's a storm coming nowadays. I'll still be using my trusty old A-5 for pheasant hunting this year though. The only thing is, our grandsons told my wife to not let me go pheasant hunting by myself anymore. That's a good thing though, right?
Hangingrock
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I had an acquaintance that was a State Police Officer. Occasionally he would give his wife a Colt Detective Spl revolver to carry in her purse while they were our shopping as he didn't dress in a manner that would conceal the revolver on his person..
Good Ol' Boy
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Well its official, this thread HAS gone off the rails.
We have folks saying freedom is NOT being able to carry a gun and then worrying about slipping and falling as a reason to not carry a gun.
I swear I think we have people here trying to subvert the gun community.
We have folks saying freedom is NOT being able to carry a gun and then worrying about slipping and falling as a reason to not carry a gun.
I swear I think we have people here trying to subvert the gun community.
mcb
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Freedom in this case is being allowed to carry everywhere with little or no restrictions. Freedom is also, that the individual is allowed to decide how much they do or do not take advantage of that freedom.
Those freedoms are independent on whether the original premise of the OP is wise or not.
Those freedoms are independent on whether the original premise of the OP is wise or not.
Phaedrus/69
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That seems a bit like leaving your motorcycle helmet at home because you don't want to scuff it up if you wreck. Guns can be tools or ornaments but maybe not both.
Whereon earth did that come from?
Falling on a gun can lead to serious injury.
And when the ground is covered by frozen precipitation, one might expect the likelihood of a violent criminal attack to reduced.
It may be much more prudent to not carry in icy conditions.
One has to question the judgment of those who cannot understand that.
It's very basic risk management.
"Subvert the gun community"? That is far beyond absurd.
1976B.L.Johns.
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Yeah, it may sound that way...
But i believe members here are not "trying to subvert".
They just want to get in the conversation...
I have been carrying everyday since December 14th, 2016. My first day of retirement
Carrying on my job, being caught would have meant immediate termination with no benny's..
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Old Dog
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The point is not to have a plan to engage or get involved.
In the OP, the incident began in another nearby venue, not where the main players were dining (or drinking?).
The point is to be ready in the event that an incident expands to your location. I was in an auto parts store in SoCal one afternoon when one of the guys who had just robbed the Wells Fargo Bank across the street ran in trying to elude pursuing cops. I was in the military at the time -- in SoCal -- hence was unarmed. The guy was armed and looking to take a hostage, so it could have gotten ugly (fortunately, it didn't). I was wishing I were armed, for sure...
In the OP, the incident began in another nearby venue, not where the main players were dining (or drinking?).
The point is to be ready in the event that an incident expands to your location. I was in an auto parts store in SoCal one afternoon when one of the guys who had just robbed the Wells Fargo Bank across the street ran in trying to elude pursuing cops. I was in the military at the time -- in SoCal -- hence was unarmed. The guy was armed and looking to take a hostage, so it could have gotten ugly (fortunately, it didn't). I was wishing I were armed, for sure...
When something like that happens a time or two, one tends to pay more attention to carrying, if it is permitted. I've been there.
.308 Norma
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No Kleanbore, you said "potentially" icy surface. All I was trying to point out was that in this part of Idaho, if I was to not carry a gun when I am outside because I was afraid of slipping and falling on it, I wouldn't be carrying for about 6 months out of the year. It's "potentially" slippery out there for 6 months out of the year in this part of the state, and we have a saying - "If you don't like the weather in SE Idaho, wait 10 minutes and it will change."
As I said, I did the "Honor Guard" thing for a veteran's funeral for my post of the American Legion this afternoon. And I was carrying my usual CCW (a Glock 19) along with a blank firing M-1 Garand. Luckily, it stopped raining and snowing long enough for us to perform the military honors, but we had to walk across a slippery metal cattle guard in order to get into the cemetery in the first place. The grass in the cemetery was slippery too. It was scary. Everyone was careful though, and nobody fell.
The only person that I saw come close to falling was the young lady riding a horse, and leading another saddled, but rider-less horse. Those two horses reacted rather badly when we fired the volleys.
BTW, everyone in the Honor Guard was wearing a jacket today, so I couldn't tell for sure who was carrying. But I know from past experience that at least 3 out of the 10 of us carry at every funeral I've worked in the last 5 years or so.
I figure the rest of the folks that carry at the funerals look at it the same way I do - it's not that I expect trouble at the funerals (I don't), it's just that the cemeteries are scattered all up and down the valley, and I usually have to run a few errands (stop at a store, gas station or truck stop) on my way home from the funeral.
Totally non gun related: the veteran we provided military honors for today died from covid, and his wife is still struggling with it.
I don't use Instagram, but I've seen where there are "influencers" on the platform.
I wonder if the anti gunners put "influencers" on gun forums, not saying its anybody in this thread, but what might a anti-gun influencer post ...
-5 shots is plenty
-Don't need to carry in a good area
-Don't always feel the need to carry
-Carry is a burden
-Not carrying is freedom
Anti gunners read those over and be like, our work is done there.
Spot on.
That is applicable beyond carry or not, but also to what is carried.
Many who carry a 5 shot snub will post how they feel 5 shots is enough, or they feel protected.
I can post examples where 5 hits failed to quickly incapacitate a single attacker, invariably these examples are inapplicable to them, rationalized, dismissed.
Some people think they're a bit more sophisticated than the rest of what they see are gun toting mouth breathers. lol They have unsatisfactory excuses that they have rationalized to prop them up as a better person... such as, "I don't live in fear", "I'm not going to live my life worrying about being a victim every second of the day" and my personal favorite, "I'm not going to do anything that will get me killed". But yet, they can watch history repeat itself EVERY SINGLE DAY with stories about unsuspecting people in their own homes, on the way to or from work, in a parking lot, etc... that are killed for what is commonly referred to as, "No Reason". But they've granted themselves moral immunity from this. lol
And the .38... the gun that is better than nothing: https://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-mom-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/story?id=18164812
Just think if they guy used the extra energy he had left, when he left the house and got in the vehicle only to crash, to instead just beat the woman to death in front of her kids and maybe her kids too.... which has happened.
Some people actually learn from the mistakes of others. Then you have the people that actually believe there's no way in hell they will be drenched in their own blood fighting for their life while getting beaten and stabbed. It only happens to other people and other people's kids. Oh... and then some of these same people will cast a bit of blame on the victims, like they should have had better situational awareness... or they should have known something. You can't make up how arrogant some of these people are but we have to stomach this nonsense over and over. lol
AlexanderA
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If all gun owners are expected to march in lockstep on an issue such as this, support for basic gun rights will diminish. We need a "big tent." The last things we need are more and more "purity tests."
Carrying is just one aspect of gun rights. On the other hand, the be-all and end-all is the right to possession. Never forget that. You can't carry what you can't possess.
To bolster the right of possession, we need all the gun owners, including the non-carriers. So stop making them out to be idiots.
Carrying is just one aspect of gun rights. On the other hand, the be-all and end-all is the right to possession. Never forget that. You can't carry what you can't possess.
To bolster the right of possession, we need all the gun owners, including the non-carriers. So stop making them out to be idiots.
Referring to conditions in which precipitation is expected and temperatures are falling. I have hit the ground after having left the house in such conditions. Fortunately, I have not fallen on a handgun in such conditions.
The injury from a spill on a staircase while wearing a .45 IWB resulted in a recovery period longer than one year.
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