Berreta v CZ

Beretta or CZ?

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The Beretta grips are fatter, but the DA trigger reach on the CZ 75B is longer than the Beretta 92.

Sure, I could use the CZ 75 as a single action gun and shorten the trigger reach, but the reach to the thumb safety is also long. The pivot point on the CZ 75B thumb safety is at about the same point as the forward end of a Colt 1911 teardrop thumb safety.

I wear a men's size small glove and find the Beretta 92FS easier to live with than a CZ 75B. A 92X, with the Vertec grip would be even easier.
 
CZ 75 is the ultimate evolution of the BHP and the finest double stack 9 made. IMO.

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Sig P22x ain't too shabby either, but my nod goes to CZ.
 
I’d take a 96G SD with the heavy brigadier slide, since I’d like to get another forty. But if I’m sticking to 9mm, I’m going with the CZ.
 
JTQ said:
The Beretta grips are fatter, but the DA trigger reach on the CZ 75B is longer than the Beretta 92.

Sure, I could use the CZ 75 as a single action gun and shorten the trigger reach, but the reach to the thumb safety is also long. The pivot point on the CZ 75B thumb safety is at about the same point as the forward end of a Colt 1911 teardrop thumb safety.

I wear a men's size small glove and find the Beretta 92FS easier to live with than a CZ 75B. A 92X, with the Vertec grip would be even easier.
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The decocker CZs alleviate those issues a bit. The decocker is further back than the safety lever and the decocker lowers the hammer to the "half" cock notch which changes the point where the trigger starts to pull on the hammer via the trigger bar.

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One can use the thumb joint or the thumb tip on the de-cocker. I use the thumb joint.
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chicharrones said:
The decocker CZs alleviate those issues a bit. The decocker is further back than the safety lever and the decocker lowers the hammer to the "half" cock notch which changes the point where the trigger starts to pull on the trigger bar.
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They do, and I agree. The Beretta decocker does drop the hammer full down, unlike the CZ and SIG designs that drop the hammer to half cock. However, I don't think OP is considering a CZ decocker model, though if hand size is concern for the OP, the decocker CZ would be an option.
 
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I think it's noticeable that CZ is going to bring out a better performance. Just shoot it and see.

Personally I hate how CZ fits my hand, so I use a 92. The 92X finally brought a straight grip that I always wanted and replaceable sights. Although, the factory sites are quite decent too. The decocker kit is on Beretta website and easy to install.

One surprisingly annoying thing about the 92X trigger is how light the return spring is. I'm too used to reducing the pressure to reset. Not so on the 92X; my brain has to command the muscles to move the finger in the opposite direction. It feels weird and takes a lot of time.

I think most people ought to give a good look to CZ first and fall back to 92X only if CZ does not work.
 
Not those exact models, but I've had several CZ's and several Beretta 92 variants. I wouldn't spend my money on either again. But if I were issued a Beretta and told that is what I was carrying, I'd carry it with confidence. I respect them as dependable, accurate pistols. They aren't my favorite design, but I can adapt to most anything. It's just that if it's my money I like other designs better.

CZ's just never impressed me. I've tried to like 2 or 3 different models over the years. They look like they check off a lot of boxes. They did prove to be very accurate in spite of terrible triggers, but I found reliability somewhat less than I prefer. They are one of the few designs that I can't get comfortable holding. Not that it prevented me from shooting them well. But once again, if it's my money I'll buy something else.
 
I brought home a CZ Shadow 2, and it out shot all my other pistols with ease regarding accuracy shooting fast. I liked it so much I bought a CZ A01-LD from CZC, and I sold a Wilson/Beretta Brigadier Tactical with a Wilson tuned trigger to do it.

No regrets. CZs work for me, plain and simple.
 
I own or have owned a number of Beretta (71, 76, 92FS, 96) and CZ (CZ-82, CZ-75B, P-07, Shadow 2) pistols.

I presume the OP is primarily concerned with comparing the 9x19mm double-stack offerings from each manufacturer, since those are the products most often cross-shopped.

In my personal experience, I greatly prefer the 9x19mm double-stack CZs to the Berettas. The 92-series is by all rights an excellent pistol, but the CZ-75 and derivatives just feel better in hand and shoot better for me than the 92-series.

Being a dedicated competition gun, the Shadow 2 is obviously extremely accurate and easy to shoot well, but my CZ-75B and P-07 are no slouches either.
 
If the Beretta fit my hand better I'd choose that but it doesn't so I'd choose the CZ.

But I don't like DA/SA... therefore I voted YEET cannon.
 
JTQ said:
The Beretta grips are fatter, but the DA trigger reach on the CZ 75B is longer than the Beretta 92.

Sure, I could use the CZ 75 as a single action gun and shorten the trigger reach, but the reach to the thumb safety is also long. The pivot point on the CZ 75B thumb safety is at about the same point as the forward end of a Colt 1911 teardrop thumb safety.

I wear a men's size small glove and find the Beretta 92FS easier to live with than a CZ 75B. A 92X, with the Vertec grip would be even easier.
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I wear a M or L glove but have the same complaints. I put in a Cajun reach reduction kit to address the DA reach issue to good effect.
I find with the large shadow safety, instead of swiping it up like a 1911 I can push the back end of it with my thumb and it goes on safe just fine. Taking it off safe normally isn't a problem. I can't use the thin style safety well at all though.
 
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I recently acquired these two within a month of each other. CZ97B and 92FS (Italian made)

I still have the CZ but the Beretta was traded for a Hi Power.
 
M-14 said:
Vote early vote often and add a comment if so inclined.
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Skylerbone said:
Almost voted Yeet Cannon . . .
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SterlingBullet said:
Vote YEET Canyon.
American made, lifetime warranty, no questions asked, goes with the gun.
Name any company in America that stands behind their product like that.
Yeah, Hi-Point!!!
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danez71 said:
. . . therefore I voted YEET cannon.
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Thanks to this thread, I had to find out what a YEET is and what a cannon version of it looks like.

I'd rather have never known. :ninja:
 
JTQ said:
They do, and I agree. The Beretta decocker does drop the hammer full down, unlike the CZ and SIG designs that drop the hammer to half cock. However, I don't think OP is considering a CZ decocker model, though if hand size is concern for the OP, the decocker CZ would be an option.
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The purpose of the poll has fulfilled a number of things for me, and for once I'm not rushing into buying. Like many others I've wasted too much money on things that were not the right fit.

Hand/grip size is not a issue and full size is the requirement, I already have a hammer fired da/sa high cap compact for EDC. After reading comments and the reasons behind the why a decocker only, changed my mind about a safety so I'm at least settled on that.
 
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I hope to get to the store tomorrow, and with more luck they are still sitting in the case to look at. Lots of things to look at more closely and a bit wiser (maybe).
 
M-14 said:
After reading comments and the reasons behind the why a decocker only, changed my mind about a safety so I'm at least settled on that.
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Remember the points from the Langdon video above, and make sure you get your normal shooting grip with the CZ decocker model and make sure it doesn't interfere with your grip.
 
I have both, but for me, the choice is the BERETTA 92X GC ( the compact model with the decocker ). I have had several CZ pistols and they are generally well made, but the non-decocking safety is a non-starter to me. I consider it unsafe. My CZ-97 is the BD model with a decocker.
The VERTEC grip is a big improvement on the BERETTA and my wife who just handled one for the first time now wants one. That smaller grip diameter makes a real difference.

Jim
 
I have a seldom used Shadow 1 and it has a nasty habit of biting my trigger finger on the trigger return. Other than that it's a fine handgun. Now compared to the Beretta's I own?

The Beretta has an alloy frame, something to think about for carry, but I just like shooting the Beretta's I own better.
 
^^
Yep pretty silly. I'm not totally confidant carrying glock. Tons of people do it just fine, some shot themselves in the leg. So what. It's not an unsafe machine just dumb users. If you don't love it get something else.
On topic, I strongly prefer the CZ in a safety version but am shopping a Beretta in a decocker. Different roles, different strokes whatever. Don't let the operating system hold you up.
 
Well.... finally got a chance to go to the take all my money store today, was typical for a Saturday which is why I wanted to go on a weekday but whatever it just took a little longer.

For me, the things that stick out the most.
1) Berreta fits my hand better, and has the option to put on the wrap around grip. CZ is honestly a bit too small but could live with if I had to.
2) I like the CZ 2 step decocker function better, but I don't like that it drops onto the sear.
3) Can't really tell if the bore axis is lower on the CZ or it's an illusion because of the "upside down" slide configuration
4) I really don't like the 1/8" or more gritty trigger takeup AFTER reset on the CZ , that really threw me off.
5) 92X RDO comes with slide cutout for the same money as 92X. It has a nice fitting filler piece so you have either option.

Yay Nay coulda shoulda woulda aside there are a myriad of other pro/con details and you can't please everybody all the time so....

So bottom line I set them on a quest to find me a Beretta 92X-GR RDO decocker only with 17rd mags. But with the current state of all messed up, I said I would take decock/safety version if I have to. I can get a conversion kit if I end up with a safety and hate it, but why spend that if I don't have to.
 
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