Got myself a SA-35

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I will say that the percentage of imported parts content on new cars is listed on the window sticker, along with the country of origin, per US law. If this IS important to the buyer, then the information is available.

It would just be nice to see the same standard applied to firearms, thats all- and bonus points to a manufacturer who has the courage to offer up the information without being forced to by the government.

It most certainly does matter to some consumers.
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If it matters they should not buy one of these pistols. The same as they shouldn't buy a Mossberg shotgun. Some of Mossberg's parts are forged in Mexico. Everyone knows that, or should.

SA is playing by the same rules that Mossberg does. The only difference is Mossberg acknowledges they have a plant in MX. Most people that buy Mossberg shotguns couldn't care less. Those will be the same people that buy a SA-35.


In reaffirming the “all or virtually all” standard for domestic sourcing of content when making an unqualified “Made in USA” claim, the FTC rejected several proposed alternatives: (1) a percentage-of-costs standard; (2) a standard that makes allowances for imported parts or materials not available in the United States; (3) a Customs and Border Protection’s “substantial transformation” test standard; and (4) a standard that implements a safe harbor for “good faith” efforts to comply. Instead, the Rule codifies the Commission’s prior policy statement, decisions, and orders and prohibits unqualified “Made in USA” claims on labels unless (1) final assembly or processing of the product occurs in the United States; (2) all significant processing that goes into the product occurs in the United States; and (3) all or virtually all ingredients or components of the product are made and sourced in the United States.

https://www.reedsmith.com/en/perspectives/2021/07/ftc-issues-new-made-in-usa-rule
 
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If anyone is upset at buying things that are foreign made, even in part, I have terrible news. Very, very, very, very few things are 100% made in the US. Fasteners for example? Vanishingly unlikely. Does the thing have screws or pins in it? Then it's not 100% US made.

I think my favorite of these was Excel. The hand dryer folks. They went super out of their way to make it all in the US. Circuit boards, plating, etc. Stuff that's /never/ domestically sourced unless defense or something. But despite all that... still couldn't get motors:
https://www.wbur.org/npr/171179697/why-is-it-so-hard-to-make-a-100-percent-american-hand-dryer

(But you may like that the tarrif war didn't kill their business, but led them to US sourced motors: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...g-hand-from-u-s-china-trade-war-idUSKBN1YF19J)

As mentioned above, lots of US gun makers are profitable companies above all else. Stick lots of American flags on things and patriotic slogans but then source and sell for profit. Most produts in all industries are like this, but if it matters to you: Buyer beware.
 
shoobe01 said:
If anyone is upset at buying things that are foreign made, even in part, I have terrible news. Very, very, very, very few things are 100% made in the US. Fasteners for example? Vanishingly unlikely. Does the thing have screws or pins in it? Then it's not 100% US made.

I think my favorite of these was Excel. The hand dryer folks. They went super out of their way to make it all in the US. Circuit boards, plating, etc. Stuff that's /never/ domestically sourced unless defense or something. But despite all that... still couldn't get motors:
https://www.wbur.org/npr/171179697/why-is-it-so-hard-to-make-a-100-percent-american-hand-dryer

(But you may like that the tarrif war didn't kill their business, but led them to US sourced motors: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...g-hand-from-u-s-china-trade-war-idUSKBN1YF19J)

As mentioned above, lots of US gun makers are profitable companies above all else. Stick lots of American flags on things and patriotic slogans but then source and sell for profit. Most produts in all industries are like this, but if it matters to you: Buyer beware.
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If they don't source and sell to make a profit they aren't going to be in business for very long. Unless they are laundering money, but that's another story.

BSW
 
To be honest, I don't care that it's made from imported frame and slide forgings. I just want to know where they're imported from. As long as it's not Turkey or some other similar country that I can't in good conscience buy luxury items from, I'll be fine.
 
Reasons I learned on the internet not to buy certain guns…

Bill Ruger embraced gun control.
S&W uses internal locks.
SA lies about parts origins.
Sig makes parts in India.
Mossberg uses Mexican parts.
Colt just sucks in general.
Henry and SA fool people with recycled company names.
Charter Arms are poorly made.
Heritage is pot metal.
Hi Points are fugly.
Kel Tec is cheap plastic.
Kimber is MIM junk.

Oh, and Hi Powers are flimsy.
 
After watching Hilton’s Q and A concerning Springfield’s new offering, my take is he is of the mine that S.A. took a legacy design and improved it. Better features, materials, and ergonomics. I was most interested in what he had to say concerning the fitment and metallurgy as compared to the Browning/FN mkIII. I’ve had a MkIII for about two decades and it has it’s blemishes and not the least being the magazine disconnect. And I do plan on procuring one when the craziness subsides. Furthermore, from all the information I can glean, the gun contains no mim parts if that is important to you.
 
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The latest edition of Guns and Ammo had a nice write up on one. I might just buy one when the dust settles. I do like Hi-Powers.
 
I really dislike supporting Turkey by buying products originating there. Same for Chinese products. Sometimes it can’t be helped. Sure helps when the labeling isn’t misleading. There is most likely nothing wrong with the Turkish steel. There is definitely something wrong with the Turkish government . They are instructed to lie to infidels by the way.
 
I really hoped that the discussion would be focus on the gun and stop drifting into the sourcing of parts in general (really...cars).

It has become too invasive in this thread to filter out, so I'm going to issue a final warning:

If discussion drifts away from the pistol in the OP again, I'm closing this thread and issuing Warning Points
 
Nearly all prices are inflated these days on any stock that’s available. While GB prices are beyond what I would consider a premium for limited product, I do think paying at or around MSRP for a low S/N first year production model has appeal.
 
9mmepiphany said:
really hoped that the discussion would be focus on the gun and stop drifting into the sourcing of parts in general (really...cars).
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#metoo (oh, wait, never mind)
#samehere

It's still a great-lookin' pistol, and know we have a number of respected pistolsmiths chiming in with enthusiastics responses to this pistol.

The OP is a lucky guy (did you buy a Powerball ticket that day, too?)
 
Try to buy an “American made” car. If Springfield is willing to put their name on it, that’s good enough for me. I don’t care where the parts came from. My former company has a unique product that is entirely made in the USA. Yet some of the raw material comes from Europe. When we produced this product in China, it was quickly copied and at times exceeded ours in some categories.

All that to say, the proof will finally be in the performance over time.
 
I would snap up a polished SS SA-35 in heartbeat. Hopefully they thinking about models like this for the future
 
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