Long Range double stack 1911

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a2x4bbl said:
It’s sounding more interesting to me all the time . Nothing against a Contender , I have an Encore in .223 and it shoots great and has a nice trigger , even the grip is nice . Zero limitations on calibers . Scope mounts readily available , round barrel compensator’s millions to chose from . Plop down the plastic card and assemble in 30 minutes . Some people like that . I’ve made rifle Comps and their pretty simple . Now case forming a somewhat unique cartridge , semi auto pistol caliber limitation’s , making the pistol compensator and scope mount from 2 lb blocks of metal , that’s interesting to me at least . To each there own .
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You won’t be disappointed, then.

Forming the brass from 10mm stock is a one - pass affair...

...just like resizing a fired case.

They used to “tune” compensators for this cartridge, exploiting the blast to keep the sights level.

Sounds like you have the tools to build your own! :thumbsup:

Best resource for this is a thread on GlockTalk, by someone who goes by “The_Shadow” (?) - memory’s not what it used to be.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Any time you design an aspect of your life around making other people angry - strangers or people you know - you invite disaster, hate, disappointment, and evil into your soul.

My suggestion is to try and avoid doing anything in life which is not good and beneficial, if not to you, then to everyone around you. Just sayin'
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I'm sure it was ment more as a tongue in cheek saying.

However I have truly booty blasted some ar bros at my local trash heap. Some people's egos are quite fragile.
 
Hi all, I'm late to the chat but A24xbbl mentioned a BT bullet, which one? The back end isn't as important as the front end. The one I knew of from Hornady had a pretty long nose, I would not think it will work in a 9x25.

Anyway...bullets that:

A.) Are too long (up front) to make the LOA won't fit into the mag with more than one round
B.) Cannot not be so long that you can't eject a loaded round.
C.) It's hard to find a bullet with a nose taper that will give you a solid crimp. Round noses work best to meet A and B.

I've been forming and loading the 9x25 only a few weeks and while the case prep from 10mm is relatively straightforward (IF you can find Dillon dies, else use .357 Sig and 9mm dies and fire form, or a combination of all three) but finding suitable bullets may not be easy. Also once the shoulder is set slower powders may be compressed with larger bullets and round nose 9mm bullets are not really conducive to L-O-N-G range unless you're talking 100 yards? Then as was said even a 9mm or super can do well at 100 yards and IMO a 10mm shouldn't be overlooked either.

My "build" is a 6" barrel, mostly because I have a few single stack 10mm long slide 1911's handy but also I read from those who have chronographed many loads that the 6" barrel is a good fit for the 9x25. My next 9x25 project will be on a RIA wide body frame with a 5" barrel, because I like lighting up the range :)

Below is the Hornady BT I'm pretty sure will give crimp issues and a Lee mold that will work. Note, not to scale with each other.

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a2x4bbl said:
Contemplating the next project . I’m thinking 1911 , scoped , compensated , double stack , chambered in 9x25 Dillon to shoot those 147 gr. boat tail bullets at longer ranges. Thoughts and opinions? Should be interesting at least .
Edit : Long range for an auto loader .
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I have Dan Wesson Havoc that's double stacked but in 9mm and instead of scope it has a red dot. Super accurate.

So it will be fun project. Not too sure about 9mm-D due to availability down the road etc. I tend to stick with the routine calibers but since its not edc 38super and 460 Rowland should be considered.
 
UncleEd said:
Barnetmill,

Yes, I'm sure about handguns not being long range firearms.

I cited the exceptions.
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Exactly where were the exceptions.
Below is your post that I referenced:

'' Forget it.

Put that effort into a top quality
1911 in 9mm (9X19) or .45ACP
from Wilson or other excellent
gun producers.

If you've already done so with
a top quality "normal" 1911, then
become super proficient with it.

Handguns are simply not long range
firearms.""
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el Godfather said:
I have Dan Wesson Havoc that's double stacked but in 9mm and instead of scope it has a red dot. Super accurate.

So it will be fun project. Not too sure about 9mm-D due to availability down the road etc. I tend to stick with the routine calibers but since its not edc 38super and 460 Rowland should be considered.
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I have a STI in 38 super and considered 460 Rowland but really wanted to go the bottle neck case route . Strangely enough Bar Sto recommended the 10mm instead , but I have 2 already . But he did say he would make the barrel in 9x25 . 82A82FDB-C9FA-4D73-AB73-E613E1EB43A8.jpeg
 
gnappi said:
Hi all, I'm late to the chat but A24xbbl mentioned a BT bullet, which one? The back end isn't as important as the front end. The one I knew of from Hornady had a pretty long nose, I would not think it will work in a 9x25.

Anyway...bullets that:

A.) Are too long (up front) to make the LOA won't fit into the mag with more than one round
B.) Cannot not be so long that you can't eject a loaded round.
C.) It's hard to find a bullet with a nose taper that will give you a solid crimp. Round noses work best to meet A and B.

I've been forming and loading the 9x25 only a few weeks and while the case prep from 10mm is relatively straightforward (IF you can find Dillon dies, else use .357 Sig and 9mm dies and fire form, or a combination of all three) but finding suitable bullets may not be easy. Also once the shoulder is set slower powders may be compressed with larger bullets and round nose 9mm bullets are not really conducive to L-O-N-G range unless you're talking 100 yards? Then as was said even a 9mm or super can do well at 100 yards and IMO a 10mm shouldn't be overlooked either.

My "build" is a 6" barrel, mostly because I have a few single stack 10mm long slide 1911's handy but also I read from those who have chronographed many loads that the 6" barrel is a good fit for the 9x25. My next 9x25 project will be on a RIA wide body frame with a 5" barrel, because I like lighting up the range :)

Below is the Hornady BT I'm pretty sure will give crimp issues and a Lee mold that will work. Note, not to scale with each other.

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That Hornady bullet , would probably go xtp , but if it didn’t shoot well no problem to go flat base .
 
a2x4bbl said:
That Hornady bullet , would probably go xtp , but if it didn’t shoot well no problem to go flat base .
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Here's a couple of posts I made on other sites. The first is before I pulled the handle once with comments from others, the second after forming several hundred cases and load development. Others may have wound up with different or better solutions for them but the latter post works well for me.

https://www.10mm-firearms.com/reloading/forming-9x25-dillon/

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?434599-9x25-Dillon-forming-reloading-shooting
 
UncleEd said:
Forget it.

Put that effort into a top quality
1911 in 9mm (9X19) or .45ACP
from Wilson or other excellent
gun producers.

If you've already done so with
a top quality "normal" 1911, then
become super proficient with it.

Handguns are simply not long range
firearms.
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Depends on your definition of long range. Lots of us regularly shoot pretty good scores and groups at 100 yards and more with some pretty pedestrian revolvers. My Super Blackhawk can stay in 5", my 29-2 six. Contender 357, 3-4". Generalizations can backfire (oops, bad word choice). I had a Gold Cup that could ring the 12" gong pretty steadily.
 
PapaG said:
Depends on your definition of long range. Lots of us regularly shoot pretty good scores and groups at 100 yards and more with some pretty pedestrian revolvers. My Super Blackhawk can stay in 5", my 29-2 six. Contender 357, 3-4". Generalizations can backfire (oops, bad word choice). I had a Gold Cup that could ring the 12" gong pretty steadily.
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Of course it can be done especially at
100 yards or so but the calculations
in bullet drop and necessary rezeroing
beyond 50 yards put serious practical
limitations on just about any handgun.

And bullet energy tends to seriously
drop off as well, again limiting a
handgun's practical uses.

Sure, you an take a .30 Herrett in
a Thompson Contender but that's
really making an exception to
handgun definitions.
 
I was sticking with the OP's position. He said nothing about energy (hunting), distance (other than "long range"). You are the one putting conditions on it.
Probably 90% of my handgun shooting has been at distances of fifty yards or less but my buds and I have had a lot of fun " walking in" big slugs onto five gallon buckets and antifreeze cans out to two and even three hundred yards. Need a dusty field and good rest, however.
You play your game and I'll play mine. (unless it is with my scoped Contender, fifty, sixty yards is my limit on deer). Inanimates, anything goes.
 
a2x4bbl said:
I have a STI in 38 super and considered 460 Rowland but really wanted to go the bottle neck case route . Strangely enough Bar Sto recommended the 10mm instead , but I have 2 already . But he did say he would make the barrel in 9x25 . View attachment 1039144
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Great pieces.

With bottle neck problem is the VERY limited caliber offerings x25 357sig 7.62Tok and good old 7.63
 
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