The most famous use of an AR15 for Self-Defense

Deanimator said:

THEY disagree.

“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.” - Leon Trotsky

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All of them? Or just a percentage of those who have protested?

Your brush also appears to be too broad.

WrongHanded said:

All of them? Or just a percentage of those who have protested?

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The ones rioting do.

50 is a percentage. So is 90.

Suppose for argument's sake that BLM are just dupes of the anarchists and Maoists of Antifa. That's doesn't exactly reflect favorably on them.

The Revolutionary Communist Party, which is an affiliate of Antifa has been trying to recruit Black people as cannon fodder for THEIR "revolution" since the '80s. My BALSA sponsor was an ANC member who fled South Africa just ahead of the South African Secret Police. He did a lot of pro-bono legal work in Chicago's Black community and spent a considerable amount of time warning people that the overwhelmingly White RCP was INTENTIONALLY trying to get them to engage in an "uprising" so that they'd be killed by police, in a Mansonesque attempt to start a race war of which they could take advantage.

WrongHanded said:

Your brush also appears to be too broad.

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You're making it very apparent that in this discussion you can't tell a paint brush from a nine iron.

Deanimator said:

The ones rioting do.

50 is a percentage. So is 90.

Suppose for argument's sake that BLM are just dupes of the anarchists and Maoists of Antifa. That's doesn't exactly reflect favorably on them.

The Revolutionary Communist Party, which is an affiliate of Antifa has been trying to recruit Black people as cannon fodder for THEIR "revolution" since the '80s. My BALSA sponsor was an ANC member who fled South Africa just ahead of the South African Secret Police. He did a lot of pro-bono legal work in Chicago's Black community and spent a considerable amount of time warning people that the overwhelmingly White RCP was INTENTIONALLY trying to get them to engage in an "uprising" so that they'd be killed by police, in a Mansonesque attempt to start a race war of which they could take advantage.


You're making it very apparent that in this discussion you can't tell a paint brush from a nine iron.

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If you say so. I think you're making some pretty big assumptions, but honestly I'm truly uninterested in the intangible connections better BLM and shadow organisations. Mainly because such a link would still fail to prove the involvement of the vast majority of those protesting or indeed rioting.

But this has been very educational fellas. Well, kind of, I suppose. If anyone would like to share their vision of what protecting/defending a business from a mob actually looks like, give me a shout.

Otherwise I think I'll leave you to your fun.

WrongHanded said:

Yeah, the kid and his friends chose to travel to a place where they believed there would be a riot, and protect someone's business, which meant apposing a mob. And the chose to be armed to do so. They also apparently chose to split up enough that one could be attacked and the others were unavailable to help. The outcome was a string of self defense encounters. But it was not unforeseeable.

I know you're angry that law enforcement was told to stand down. But I already address my belief as to why that was done. You can feel free to disagree with it all you like.

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I guess I have to disagree. It is still the job of Law Enforcement to protect the public and private property by ENFORCING THE LAW! Not just when it is easy or convenient, but ALL THE TIME. It is the job of government to support the efforts of law enforcement that is doing their job. Allowing (or supporting) the law breakers should be grounds for removal from office. For that matter, I don’t believe the National Guard has sufficient training for riot control or even powers to arrest and detain that state and local law enforcement are authorized to use. And just imagine the reaction of the progressives if the National Guard Troops felt sufficiently threatened by the mob to defend themselves with lethal force. (Anybody remember Kent State?)

Deanimator said:

The Rittenhouse situation was one of bad tactics as opposed to bad morals. NONE of them EVER should have been alone, much less alone in crowds of rioters. Whomever Rittenhouse was affiliated with let him down, BADLY.

When the government ignores or takes the side of the mob, countervailing centers of power will develop.

In 1919, White supremacists tried to burn down Chicago's Black community. The police took the side of the rioters and arsonists. My great uncles, just back from segregated service in France, stepped in with other members of the community, broke into their National Guard armories, armed themselves and fought back. If they hadn't, I might not be here to type this.

Likewise, when government gives wouldbe Spartacists a free hand, a Freikorps will INEVITABLY arise to oppose them.

I don't CARE why the government in Kenosha abdicated its duty to preserve public order and safety. It only matters that they DID. The police have no legal duty to protect individuals. They DO have a duty to preserve order. If they WON'T then there is no point to their existence. If the police sit around and do nothing while they WATCH looting, arson, assaults and murders happen, others will step in. The Rittenhouse trial was the Marxist left's reaction to that rejection of mob rule.

People aren't going to allow their communities to be burned to the ground and themselves victimized, regardless of local government's cowardice or sympathy for the perpetrators. I believe that one of the Kenosha prosecutors said words to the effect of "Sometimes you have to take that beating." In Kenosha, Antifa and its allies learned that when you try to dish out that beating, sometimes you have to take a bullet.

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I agree with every word of this. If everyone stood up and met the rioters in the same fashion as Kyle, there would have been no riots.

Rioters were allowed to go unmet by police or National Guard by order of people seeking to undermine our nation and the president in office of the time. It had nothing to do with the governments concern for lives.

Kyle had the intestinal fortitude the rest of us didn’t.

WrongHanded said:

We can be done. Or you could explain what protecting a property from a mob looks like in your mind. How exactly does one go about doing such a thing? If you've got dozens of people trespassing and trying to cause damage, how do you deal with that?

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The US government and all of it's institutions and systems is very well understood. It is quite static. Taking this into consideration it is under assault from all sides and inept at defending it's self.
I see division everywhere I look. Some people have rightful opinions, others are of such differing opinions and with a constant drum beat I truly doubt their validity and reason for being. Other than to sow division.
One thing I have seen with this rioting is property damage on such a scale, often times targeted at well invested financed major global corporations. Autozone, RiteAide, Walgreens. I don't know the relationship these CEO's have with their financiers but I am certain they are well insured and prepared for either the permanent closurer of their store location or not. Business interruption insurance, loss of income, replacement retail value of goods lost, is a windfall day once settlement has been reached with an insurer. The rooftop Koreans pictured above obviously do not come from such a place in corporate America and come from a different place where civil strife is not unheard of in times of government collapse. Look into Korean history, merchants groups and family clans often had their own private armies.
America is falling, slowly but surely it is falling.
Not many people I think look to other systems in the world. I often wonder how places in the world function compared to a city in the United States. Consider China, their cities. Shanghai a population of 30 million plus. Beijing a population of 20 million plus. Chongqing a population of 30 million plus in it's metro area. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_China_by_population
And then compare this to New York City, Los Angeles, or Chicago. Then compare it to overall population figures:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
It doesn't compare at all. Portland, WI with a population of little more than 600 thousands was tuned into an extended debacle.
Our system isn't working, and it is under attack, systemic division is being sowed everywhere in society and culturally. Hell, right here with the opinion people are entitled to rightfully have.
I know with the mention a lot of people may say, China this and China that but their system of government operates with trained and educated administrators. They don't elect charismatic, inept, narcissistic, lying psychopaths beholding to their trans-global corporate donors instead of the populace and citizenry they are elected to represent. Every loon you see on TV, in elected office, and elsewhere has been well vetted beforehand.
Years ago due to my age I always wondered how the McCain - Finegold campaign reform act (late 1980's) would play out since it was laddered over several election cycles. I see it in full fruit now.

What played out on the streets of Kenosha was a reality TV show and fortunately for Kyle Rittenhouse, he was protected by our old institutions and the laws that remain which built this country. But like so many agree, and so many feel and think, we can't have wildcards like that running around to interrupt the narrative and objectives of others who have little regard for our society. No one seems to understand the old guard is hated, and deeply so.

The National Guard is not designed to be an occupying force or a law enforcement body. The police want to objectively arrest everyone for everything. No different than a hotel owner wanting to put up a "No Vacancy" on a holiday weekend.
In that mix however are some really really bad and dangerous criminals.
I come from a law enforcement family and my family member will sit on the couch and say, it was all BS, it was all bureaucracy, his entire career was all about funding, federal funding, state funding, and headlines. But he was a jump how high guy and a good one.
Most things should be simple, they are not by design.
I live in a very nice subdivision, away from these city problems but it should come as no surprise that wherever you may be 30% of your community will be effected by this collapse later rather than sooner.

Kyle did good, for him it was simple, he ended up in a battle for his life. 2nd amendment upheld, the right to keep and bare arms upheld, and the right of self defense upheld, the right of movement upheld, and the right of association upheld. Clearly all of those rights are under attack, even with a simple comment that the kids should have just stayed home, no firearms, etc....

If those guys in Georgia are not convicted get ready for the next round, I feel confidant the planning has long been in the works.

WrongHanded said:

If you say so. I think you're making some pretty big assumptions, but honestly I'm truly uninterested in the intangible connections better BLM and shadow organisations. Mainly because such a link would still fail to prove the involvement of the vast majority of those protesting or indeed rioting.

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It's about as "intangible" as a 10'x10'x10' block of basalt.

They are almost ALWAYS found together where there is an opportunity for mayhem. Antifa's actions speak eloquently to their goals... when they don't simply enunciate them... which they do, FREQUENTLY.

It's apparent to me that that there are certain uncomfortable truths which you will not or cannot see. For them, you substitute your own alternate reality.