What about Beretta 92?
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The only irritating thing about the Beretta's slide mounted safety is that switches on when you rack the slide using an overhand grip. I'm in the process of installing the "G" safety lever which automatically flips the lever off after the hammer has dropped
The levers on the M9A3 solves this too - as they are at a different angle. So, when manipulating the slide, they are less likely to be activated accidentally
I have owned my Italian made 92 INOX for 30+ years now. It is the second handgun I ever owned (I traded a Ruger P85 for it). It is reliable, stout and a great shooter. That said I think there are better guns available these days. I am not interested in disposing of mine but I have other 9mm pistols I prefer for home defence and plinking at the range.
If you like it and it "speaks to you" go for it!
If you like it and it "speaks to you" go for it!
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You got me on the MG34 rather than the MG43 being the progenitor of the M60. I was wrong about which German machine gun the US copied, but not about the fact that they adopted the German's design just as was done to the P38.
I still assert the Model 39 was essentially a P38 copy with a full-length slide. They even named it the 39 as the successor to the 38, the P38. It was a blatant copy.
I agree with your statement that the Sig, H&K and CZ are only in common with the P38 in being DA/SA. That is all I meant by "the action type introduced with the P38" -- specifically a DA/SA with a locked breech.
I was already corrected on the introduction of striker-fired handguns prior to H&K's VP70. I knew the P7 was not the first striker-fired H&K, but mentioned it as the one (of two) entered in the 80's series of trials. I think I was conflating the introduction of the polymer-framed striker-fired with striker-fired handguns. So my statement about H&K being the first striker-fired was indeed wrong.
I still assert the Model 39 was essentially a P38 copy with a full-length slide. They even named it the 39 as the successor to the 38, the P38. It was a blatant copy.
I agree with your statement that the Sig, H&K and CZ are only in common with the P38 in being DA/SA. That is all I meant by "the action type introduced with the P38" -- specifically a DA/SA with a locked breech.
I was already corrected on the introduction of striker-fired handguns prior to H&K's VP70. I knew the P7 was not the first striker-fired H&K, but mentioned it as the one (of two) entered in the 80's series of trials. I think I was conflating the introduction of the polymer-framed striker-fired with striker-fired handguns. So my statement about H&K being the first striker-fired was indeed wrong.
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The M39 and P38 have totally different locking systems, with the P38 (and Beretta M92) both locking aginst the frame via falling block, and the M39 locking the barrel to slide with an internal lug.
Aside from the chambering, use of a hammer, and the magazines being very similar, they are nothing alike.
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I have a 92FS, have had it several years. Fits fine in my hand, shoots well, accurate. I took a couple tactical/competition classes with it - and the DA trigger pull on first shot kinda ruined it for me. It resides in the safe now just to have it.
I bought a Glock 17 for the classes, etc and never looked back. Since then, I was introduced to Kimber 1911's - and I may never shoot the Beretta again. My Kimber Pro TLE II 1911 is my absolute favorite one to shoot of all the different ones I have.
SO - is the 92 a good gun? Yes I think it is. Would I carry one? No. Too many better choices out there. But if you want one just to shoot, and to use for home defense with good quality defense ammo - no problem.
I bought a Glock 17 for the classes, etc and never looked back. Since then, I was introduced to Kimber 1911's - and I may never shoot the Beretta again. My Kimber Pro TLE II 1911 is my absolute favorite one to shoot of all the different ones I have.
SO - is the 92 a good gun? Yes I think it is. Would I carry one? No. Too many better choices out there. But if you want one just to shoot, and to use for home defense with good quality defense ammo - no problem.
JTQ
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Reduced weight hammer springs are available that will lighten the DA trigger pull
Langdon Tactical https://langdontactical.com/chrome-silicon-hammer-spring-12-13-14-16/
Wilson Combat https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Springs/products/705/
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DA trigger issues are usually lack of practice and muscle tone. A big advantage to guns with them is, dry fire practice is easy to do, and regular practice builds muscle tone, and helps you to learn to focus on the sights and not the trigger.
The Berettas usually have very nice, smooth DA triggers, and make shooting in that mode very easy, once youre used to it.
The Berettas usually have very nice, smooth DA triggers, and make shooting in that mode very easy, once youre used to it.
gc70
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Earlier 92s used 20-lb. hammer springs which yielded DA trigger pulls approaching 12 pounds. While manageable with diligent practice, I was not overjoyed with that trigger weight.
The 92D (DAO), M9A3 and new 92X models use 16-lb. hammer springs (generally called "D" springs) which yield DA trigger pulls around 8 pounds. I use a reduced-weight 14-lb. hammer spring in my 92A1 for a DA trigger pull around 7 pounds and a SA pull around 4 pounds. For less than $10, a reduced-weight hammer spring makes a 92 shoot like a different gun.
Racinfan83
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Thanks! I hadn't even thought to look into that - but I will now. If I can improve a gun without breaking the bank, or heavy mods - I'm all about it!
Wilson spring on sale for $4.76 + ship. On the way to me...
Wilson spring on sale for $4.76 + ship. On the way to me...
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TinNePa
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I bought a used M9A3 inox a few years ago. It is a very nice gun and soft shooting, as pretty much any all metal 9mm is. The only thing I don't care for is after a couple mags, you get heat coming off the barrel that can interfere with sight picture. Something I have not see mentioned much but is an issue for me. Of course, none of my other semi guns have this problem because the slide is covering the barrel. It does pair nice with my cx4 storm, and takes all the same mags.
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When I first bought my M9 I found that dedicated DA practice sessions helped a lot with learning that trigger - decock after every shot, over and over, magazine after magazine.
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I still do that for a couple of mags, every time I shoot all my DA guns. Those groups are usually tighter than any I shoot in SA too.
There is no such thing as an M9A3 Inox. Not unless someone made it themselves. Beretta never made such an animal. Can you post a pic?
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I've shot the Taurus PT92 clone. I have small palms and very long fingers, and the grip just doesn't work for me. The trigger pull on the PT92 is loooong, but maybe Beretta's version is better. I'm not in a hurry to try it.
I didn't find the weight objectionable though. It's a huge pistol but the aluminum frame really helps it out. Per Google-Fu, it's about a half-pound lighter than a govt model 1911.
I didn't find the weight objectionable though. It's a huge pistol but the aluminum frame really helps it out. Per Google-Fu, it's about a half-pound lighter than a govt model 1911.
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Madcap_Magician
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An LTT full build 92 compact has become my newest obsession, full chamfering, Spartan sights, trigger job.
The 92 is a big gun, there's no denying it. Oddly it does feel comfortable in my hand, more so than any generation of Glock. I found it accurate, reliable, and easy to shoot.
I think a lot of people's perceptions of it are colored in the same way that many people's perceptions of the M16 were colored. Early problems become eternal in people's minds, even though the current iterations have resolved them.
TinNePa
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My bad, you are correct. It's a 92FS Inox, and stamped M9A1.
Grayrock
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I've liked the Beretta 92 ever since Martin Riggs shot his smiley face with it I determined to get one. While perusing the aisles of an Austin gun show many years ago I saw the Taurus PT99FS for a bargain price and brought it home. The frame mounted safety is ergonomic and intuitive for me. As mentioned earlier, it is soft shooting. I found some 18 round mags for it and Pachmeyer grips.
I determined to get one. While perusing the aisles of an Austin gun show many years ago I saw the Taurus PT99FS for a bargain price and brought it home. The frame mounted safety is ergonomic and intuitive for me. As mentioned earlier, it is soft shooting. I found some 18 round mags for it and Pachmeyer grips.
And you still see them even in local IDPA/USPSA competition quite a bit.
The very popular CZ pistols you'll see in competition are also DA/SA. If yours was such a huge handicap, I'd think the obvious route to follow would be to get some instruction on mastering the DA trigger stroke
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About the only gun I ever just said to hell with it and dumped for a loss was a vertec. I bought the first one anyone around had seen. Everyone hated it. The trigger pull was absolutely terrible. Plus at the time there was no holsters available but sorry universal ones.
I've liked the Beretta 92 ever since Martin Riggs shot his smiley face with it
Riggs and MacLaine definitely influenced my collecting of Beretta. Lol.
I like the 92/96.
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