brewer12345
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Even if you own land you need a tag here.
What is an inline good for?
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Even if you own land you need a tag here.
hawg
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We haven't had tags since I was a teen. I'm 64 now. Straight from the MDWFP website. https://www.mdwfp.com/media/253620/21-2021-2022-hunting-season-flyer-web_final.pdf
Bag Limits Antlered Buck Deer: The statewide bag limit on antlered buck deer is one (1) buck per day and three (3) per annual season. One (1) of these three (3) may have hardened antlers that do not meet the unit legal antler requirements on private land and Holly Springs National Forest. For youth hunters fifteen (15) years of age and younger, hunting on private land and authorized state and federal lands, all three (3) of the three (3) buck bag limit may be any antlered deer. Antlered buck bag limit in the North Central Deer Management Unit (DMU) is one (1) buck per day and four (4) per annual season. No antler restrictions apply to this DMU. All four bucks may have any sized hardened antlers. Antlerless Deer: Private lands: The statewide annual bag limit on antlerless deer is five (5). The antlerless bag limit for private lands in the North Central DMU is ten (10) antlerless deer per season. Antlerless deer are male or female deer which do not have hardened antler above the natural hairline. Only two (2) antlerless deer may be harvested from the Southeast Unit. There is no daily bag limit on antlerless deer in the Northeast, North Central, East Central, Southwest, and Delta units. Only one (1) antlerless deer per day may be harvested in the Southeast DMU. U.S. Forest Service National Forests: The bag limit is one (1) per day, not to exceed five (5) per annual season except in the Southeast Unit, which is two (2) per annual season.
As for primitive weapons.
Primitive Weapons: Weapons legal for use during the Primitive Weapons season are all archery equipment and primitive firearms. ”Primitive firearms,” for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double-barreled muzzleloading rifles of at least .38 caliber; OR single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions, or reintroductions of those type rifles with an exposed hammer; OR single or double-barreled muzzleloading shotguns, with single ball or slug. All muzzleloading primitive firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with percussion caps, #209 shotgun primers, or flintlock ignition. “Blackpowder substitute” is defined as a substance designed, manufactured, and specifically intended to be used as a propellant in muzzleloading or other black powder firearms, excluding modern smokeless powder. Metallic cartridges may be loaded with either black powder or modern smokeless powder (cartridges purchased at sporting goods stores). Telescopic sights are allowed while hunting with any primitive firearm during the primitive weapon seasons. A telescopic sight is defined as an optical sighting device with any magnification. During any open season on deer with primitive weapons after November 30, a person may use any legal weapon of choice, including pre-charged pneumatic weapons (air guns or bows), on private lands only,
Bag Limits Antlered Buck Deer: The statewide bag limit on antlered buck deer is one (1) buck per day and three (3) per annual season. One (1) of these three (3) may have hardened antlers that do not meet the unit legal antler requirements on private land and Holly Springs National Forest. For youth hunters fifteen (15) years of age and younger, hunting on private land and authorized state and federal lands, all three (3) of the three (3) buck bag limit may be any antlered deer. Antlered buck bag limit in the North Central Deer Management Unit (DMU) is one (1) buck per day and four (4) per annual season. No antler restrictions apply to this DMU. All four bucks may have any sized hardened antlers. Antlerless Deer: Private lands: The statewide annual bag limit on antlerless deer is five (5). The antlerless bag limit for private lands in the North Central DMU is ten (10) antlerless deer per season. Antlerless deer are male or female deer which do not have hardened antler above the natural hairline. Only two (2) antlerless deer may be harvested from the Southeast Unit. There is no daily bag limit on antlerless deer in the Northeast, North Central, East Central, Southwest, and Delta units. Only one (1) antlerless deer per day may be harvested in the Southeast DMU. U.S. Forest Service National Forests: The bag limit is one (1) per day, not to exceed five (5) per annual season except in the Southeast Unit, which is two (2) per annual season.
As for primitive weapons.
Primitive Weapons: Weapons legal for use during the Primitive Weapons season are all archery equipment and primitive firearms. ”Primitive firearms,” for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double-barreled muzzleloading rifles of at least .38 caliber; OR single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions, or reintroductions of those type rifles with an exposed hammer; OR single or double-barreled muzzleloading shotguns, with single ball or slug. All muzzleloading primitive firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with percussion caps, #209 shotgun primers, or flintlock ignition. “Blackpowder substitute” is defined as a substance designed, manufactured, and specifically intended to be used as a propellant in muzzleloading or other black powder firearms, excluding modern smokeless powder. Metallic cartridges may be loaded with either black powder or modern smokeless powder (cartridges purchased at sporting goods stores). Telescopic sights are allowed while hunting with any primitive firearm during the primitive weapon seasons. A telescopic sight is defined as an optical sighting device with any magnification. During any open season on deer with primitive weapons after November 30, a person may use any legal weapon of choice, including pre-charged pneumatic weapons (air guns or bows), on private lands only,
AR. Hillbilly
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You nailed it
Like anything, muzzleloading will cover the gamut. As well stated above…anything from primitive to modern. I am at the modern end - I bought an inline to extend seasons. I also got one to handle one of the first black powder substitutes - smokeless - yes, I am a heretic! Mine (Savage ML10 https://randywakeman.com/savage3.htm) is a muzzleloader in loading only. It is a throughly modern rifle in all facets, except the way it is loaded. I will let you know how it performs…someday I will shoot it (it is only 10 years old, no reason to rush into things)
The good news, Texas law allows for it:
Muzzleloader Only White-tailed Deer Season
A muzzleloader is any firearm that is loaded only through the muzzle. Note: A cap and ball firearm in which the powder and ball are loaded into a cylinder is not a muzzleloader. Muzzleloader deer seasons are restricted to muzzleloading firearms only.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/regs/season-types/muzzleloader
Most will say Texas hunting is not REAL hunting either (blinds, feeders, etc…).
I also have a bow (compound). With the current assortment of sights and triggers…it is a rifle without the range! I had a friend try it (he is a GOOD shooter), but never had pulled a bow. He was in the target on his first shot…due to his good foundation in shooting. This is in spite of being left handed, and shooting my right handed bow.
Some hunt pig with knives or spears…do what is right for you…and enjoy being outdoors with your family and friends.
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Back a few years I had a TC Renegade. I rather enjoyed it. Twice a cap failed to fire while deer hunting. I then found some Remington caps and never another problem. I then bought one of those bolt action looking in lines. Never once did I have a problem with it but to me it was much more work than the Renegade.
with the Renegade I’d pop the barrel off and clean in the bathtub. I found it quite easy and quick to clean.
With that in-line I had to pull the breech plug and clean. Put grease on breechplug threads and clean the bore. I found it quite accurate and I could unload it but to me a pain to clean. I’m sure the newer ones are much more user friendly. I still have the in-line but haven’t shot it in years. It isn’t worth much now days but it did put meat in the freezer.
with the Renegade I’d pop the barrel off and clean in the bathtub. I found it quite easy and quick to clean.
With that in-line I had to pull the breech plug and clean. Put grease on breechplug threads and clean the bore. I found it quite accurate and I could unload it but to me a pain to clean. I’m sure the newer ones are much more user friendly. I still have the in-line but haven’t shot it in years. It isn’t worth much now days but it did put meat in the freezer.
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The new break action types like the CVA Optima are a Breeze to clean. No tools needed to remove breech plug and the nitride/stainless barrels clean out easily.
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Local pawn shop stopped taking in inlines some time ago as they are difficult to resell once used. They recently sold what they had by offering them in lots of 3 and took a while to move. I think many new hunters buy low end ones just to use for primitive season and then never clean or use them again. They offered them to me for parts but all the bores were rusted/pitted and i suspect plugs were stuck fast. Also even if the bore was good they are too short to use as a donor for a sidelock build. I have not looked at any newer inline but hope they have improved.
hawg
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I find a few caps that the priming compound has fallen out of in almost every tin of Remington caps. I try to mostly use CCI or RWS.
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I am less than wild about CCI musket caps. Sometimes inconsistent ignition, lower powered, etc. Will burn up the rest for target and switch the the scheutzen I have on hand. If we can ever buy stuff again, I hear the RWS is the best.
hawg
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CCI musket caps are crap unless you can find some of the old six wing caps. They downloaded them for reenactors. I only use RWS musket caps.
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Had no idea when I neckbearded them off the wall at Sportsmans. All I knew was that they were the only ones i had seen for sale and I had a Zouve to shoot. I picked up "some" of the scheutzen in the past year when Graf's had them, so that is what I will use after I burn up the cci murdering paper.
hawg
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If you can't find musket caps you can change the nipple out for one that takes #11 caps.
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I know, but where is the fun in that? I bought enough of the scheutzen to last me for years.
hawg
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Just sayin if you can't find musket caps #11 will work.
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Agreed. I made sure that I have a few #11 nipples for the Zouave.
I actually got my hands on a couple of musket cap nipples for my TCs. I have a former 54 New Englander that I had bored out to a 58 round ball barrel. It shoots well considering I bought it as a roached barrel, but after a few shots ignition can be spotty. Need to get it out again and try the musket nipple to see if it resolves the problem.
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Some where I have a nipple primer to give a few grans of real 4F to light off the "fake stuff".
hawg
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Standard caps ignite Pyrodex with no problems. I don't know about some of the other stuff.
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I had two Winchester branded CVA rifles. One 45 scoped and one 50 with peep. The 45 was used during modern firearms season in firearms restricted regions (no center fire rifle). The 50 was used on miserably rainy days during MZ season when I didn’t want to subject my caplocks or rock-locks to the PNW weather.
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Oklahoma is over run with whitetail deer. Oklahoma hunters aren't shooting enough does.
Deer hunting with muzzleloaders is in decline in OK. During the 2019-20 season 15.6 percent of OK deer were killed with muzzleloaders, 55.5 percent are taken with center fire rifles and 28.9 percent are taken with archery.
2019 - 2020 Big Game Report | Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation (wildlifedepartment.com)
It's a personal choice thing. i hunt with both traditional sidelock rifles and inline rifles.
Deer hunting with muzzleloaders is in decline in OK. During the 2019-20 season 15.6 percent of OK deer were killed with muzzleloaders, 55.5 percent are taken with center fire rifles and 28.9 percent are taken with archery.
2019 - 2020 Big Game Report | Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation (wildlifedepartment.com)
It's a personal choice thing. i hunt with both traditional sidelock rifles and inline rifles.
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The TC's have a really really weird breech plug with a strange and contorted flash channel. If you get that clean enough they can be reliable. Most cap lock breech's have a more direct flash channel, and even a drum and nipple will be completely reliable if you clean and load it properly.
I own a flintlock that has never, ever, miss-fired.
hawg
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I have never had a misfire with my Hawken not even in the rain. I had a 63 Sharps and never had a misfire with it. Of course it took musket caps but it had a long firing channel with two turns. Pyrodex would slow fire but it did fire. Swiss powder was instantaneous.
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I think this is a very good post.
For the record, I am (as though anyone asked) completely okay with just about any legal method of take, full stop. But, being the clever monkeys we are, we sort of naturally push the rules as far as we can - witness the Savage ML-II "muzzleloader" - and sometimes have to be a bit careful about the sprit of the thing. As an example, a special "bow only" season, instituted when Howard Hill was leading the charge with his longbow, takes on a slightly different meaning when people start showing up with battery-powered crossbows.
Of course, in Howard's day there were approximately fourteen deer in the country, so the whole idea of "special seasons" may now be entirely out of date...
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CraigC
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That is my thought. I have a CVA Optima pistol so I can hunt with a handgun during blackpowder season but can’t bring myself to use it.
The purpose of a defined deer hunting season is to control the size of the herd; the governing authority of a state defines how that is accomplished. Here in MO, the “Muzzle Loader Season” has evolved from ML only, to include centerfire handguns to include AR “handguns” - the season is now called “Alternative Methods Season”. I can hunt with a flintlock or up to a magazine fed AR .223 pistol if I wish - no honor or purity there. The desired result is to reduce the number of deer, the deer herd is growing and the hunter headcount is falling - so adjustments are made for changing conditions.
In turn, hunting a fairly stupid animal with any level of human technology seems to lack any kind of pure honor - the deer doesn’t have a chance to begin with - so the perspective of being pure and honorable when challenged by an idiot like a deer is pretty twisted in my book.
Anyway, killing a dumb animal so that they do not over populate is the main objective, hunting season is not to create a moral honor squad.
In turn, hunting a fairly stupid animal with any level of human technology seems to lack any kind of pure honor - the deer doesn’t have a chance to begin with - so the perspective of being pure and honorable when challenged by an idiot like a deer is pretty twisted in my book.
Anyway, killing a dumb animal so that they do not over populate is the main objective, hunting season is not to create a moral honor squad.
CraigC
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I don't buy that. Then why have a special season at all? Just make it all general gun. The point of archery and blackpowder seasons is to allow folks hunting with less effective methods time in the woods where they do not have to compete with modern rifle hunters. Colorado is the only state I know of to make explicit rules dictating that traditional muzzeloaders be used, because THAT is the spirit of the rules.
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