Soon to be obsolete rounds?

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Officers'Wife said:
People tell me my 38 Super is obsolete yet I can still get ammunition and it puts a hole in anything I aim it at. It also fils the job I need it for rather well.

So... is it obsolete or just not as popular as the latest and greatest?
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Obsolete by definition can mean, "not as popular as the latest and greatest" and something's obsolete status is not directly dependent on it's ability, or lack there of, to do a job though there is usually something arguably better that has come along. In this case 9x19mm and modern bullets and propellants.
 
Cowhide Cliff said:
As I said, ain't gonna happen. The decline has already happened, it will be still be used years from now and ammo will still be produced in large numbers.
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You just basically confirmed everything I just said but I do have to ask, large numbers compared to what? We've already heard from a few here saying the ammo is either scarce or just sits on the sales shelf and doesn't move. Also one FFL here has stated he won't take them in trade. I asked my LGS and they won't take them either, he even told me that as far as he knows none of the gun store owners in Albuquerque carries them any more or will take them in trade. Pretty sure ammo manufactures don't operate with their heads in the sand will see what I happening with this trend an follow suit. Of course some ammo will still be made to meet the niche market but the quantities will be small. Of course you realize I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, right? It could take another five + years, maybe even ten + years.
 
kje54 said:
Heck people are still using the obsolete Windows XP
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LoL--I have an ancient ThinkPad Tablet running Win95Tablet becuase there are some equally out-of-date software that will only run on that OS. (And I had a pen plotter that only had Win95 drivers--gotta love "sneakernet" . . . )

So, that set up is not quite like owning a Volcanic--it's more like owning a Dreyse; you can still use it, you just have to do all the steps by hand.

Was gabbing on this topic with some cartridge collecting friends--and really, the number of cartridges out there is immense. Far larger than can be seen at the average Academy, or even a dusty, old, LGS. And, basing trends from inferences off online fora is less-than ideal, too.

So, really, the only truly obsolete rounds are the ones that just cannot be produced anymore. Volcanics, trounds, pinfires, and the like. A person could even load up 45schofield if they wanted. Ok, so .600nitro express could be hard to find for components.
 
CapnMac said:
LoL--I have an ancient ThinkPad Tablet running Win95Tablet becuase there are some equally out-of-date software that will only run on that OS. (And I had a pen plotter that only had Win95 drivers--gotta love "sneakernet" . . . )

So, that set up is not quite like owning a Volcanic--it's more like owning a Dreyse; you can still use it, you just have to do all the steps by hand.

Was gabbing on this topic with some cartridge collecting friends--and really, the number of cartridges out there is immense. Far larger than can be seen at the average Academy, or even a dusty, old, LGS. And, basing trends from inferences off online fora is less-than ideal, too.

So, really, the only truly obsolete rounds are the ones that just cannot be produced anymore. Volcanics, trounds, pinfires, and the like. A person could even load up 45schofield if they wanted. Ok, so .600nitro express could be hard to find for components.
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Oh I don't entirely disagree with you but again there are 3 separate definition applications for "obsolete" and the guy in the video said "soon to be obsolete" not currently obsolete. Now what he means by obsolete and soon is up for interpretation, to some obsolete only means extinct, to others it also means not in common use (both aspects of the definition). Also soon is relative, soon by human generational terms or geologic terms, etc, etc.
 
TTv2 said:
I'll bite.

"Hi, my name is Joe Schmoe, I mostly shoot 9mm from my *insert common budget not a Hi Point pistol here* and am looking to buy my first revolver in I guess a magnum caliber because I hear they're pretty powerful and reliable. I'm a working man with a wife, kids, and bills, so I can't exactly spend top dollar. I know there's a .357, .41, and a .44 Magnum. What would you recommend?"

This is the target audience for every revolver manufacturer and why so few of them make .41 Magnums because they know once Joe Schmoe sees the price of the .41 ammo he's going to go into a mild state of shock and say that he can't do that.
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Not everyone who buys a handgun is Joe Schmoe. Lots of manufacturers sell handguns to people with specific needs (competition or CAS), or for hunting or defense. If only Joe Schmoe bought guns, there would never be anything in 45 Colt, 327 Mag, or 44 Mag sold.

And Really - is Joe Schmoe buying a revolver at all? Unless it’s a Heritage Rough Rider .22, probably not. After all - he has bills to pay. Anything from Freedom Arms probably isn’t on his radar.
 
goon said:
Not everyone who buys a handgun is Joe Schmoe. Lots of manufacturers sell handguns to people with specific needs (competition or CAS), or for hunting or defense. If only Joe Schmoe bought guns, there would never be anything in 45 Colt, 327 Mag, or 44 Mag sold.

And Really - is Joe Schmoe buying a revolver at all? Unless it’s a Heritage Rough Rider .22, probably not. After all - he has bills to pay. Anything from Freedom Arms probably isn’t on his radar.
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Hey, I think Joe Schmoe is the intended market for the Ruger Wrangler too! :) (Which, now that goon has made me think of it, is a smart move on Ruger's part.)
 
TTv2 said:
I can go to any lgs and find ammo in stock, but what prevents me from buying it is the price. If the owner refuses to sell .22 for less than $12 for a 50 rd box, fine, I won't buy it and I'll hop onto CCI's website and buy it for $5 a box and get the free shipping. I don't want to hear the excuse of "that FFL doesn't know what the price will be next time he orders, he's gotta protect hisself!" because that's not my problem that his way of doing business is so antiquated that he has to sell ammo at a ridiculous price compared to what I can buy elsewhere direct from the manufacturer.

The only benefit of the LGS is they have something you can buy that day, but I do this thing called preparing for times when the ammo isn't available or extremely expensive so I'm never in need of ammo to the point I have to overpay to get it same day, I can wait a few weeks to get it. Having a reserve of ammo really helps for times like these, so all those who made snide comments about how when I buy carry ammo I choose the cheap Winchester stuff over HST because it costs less and I like to stockpile it that I'm a fool.
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Time was when a guy could buy all the 9mm HST (in 50 round boxes) he could afford around $22 each. I also have a couple boxes of the WWB 115 grain JHP around though. It’ll do, I suppose.

The other thing is that some people have guns they inherited, maybe their uncle or grandma gave them a handgun when society got tense last year, etc. To reference your other post, this is one way Joe Schmoe might acquire his first non-Hi-Point 9mm, or even his first magnum revolver. I have to ask - do the Joe Schmoes of the world with working man wages and kids to feed routinely stock thousands of rounds of JHP ammo? Gun enthusiasts do, but Joe Schmoe is often more of a casual user. Joe Schmoes are the ones running around right now looking for 9mm JHP and 12 gauge 00 buck, and often taking whatever they can find… Because they ignored guys like us when we told them to set aside a little ammo from each paycheck.

Also - check your WWB to make sure it’s not part of the recall. Apparently there was a gap in the Quality Control:

https://winchester.com/Support/Customers/Winchester-9mm-Luger-115-gr-Recall
 
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goon said:
Time was when a guy could buy all the 9mm HST (in 50 round boxes) he could afford around $22 each. I also have a couple boxes of the WWB 115 grain JHP around though. It’ll do, I suppose.

The other thing is that some people have guns they inherited, maybe their uncle or grandma gave them a handgun when society got tense last year, etc. To reference your other post, this is one way Joe Schmoe might acquire his first non-Hi-Point 9mm, or even his first magnum revolver. I have to ask - do the Joe Schmoes of the world with working man wages and kids to feed routinely stock thousands of rounds of JHP ammo? Gun enthusiasts do, but Joe Schmoe is often more of a casual user. Joe Schmoes are the ones running around right now looking for 9mm JHP and 12 gauge 00 buck, and often taking whatever they can find… Because they ignored guys like us when we told them to set aside a little ammo from each paycheck.
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Joe Schmoe is typically looking specifically in the big box stores which are often the ones who run out of ammo first. Joe Schmoe doesn't really know that there are a multitude of ammo retailers online (other than the big box stores) so of course he's going to have trouble finding what he wants, all the Joe Schmoes most often shop at the same place, the same big box stores.
Me I can find what I want at the best price I can find it online and there is no shortage whatsoever, at least with standard ammo that is. Of course we are getting a little of track here.
 
kje54 said:
Joe Schmoe is typically looking specifically in the big box stores which are often the ones who run out of ammo first. Joe Schmoe doesn't really know that there are a multitude of ammo retailers online (other than the big box stores) so of course he's going to have trouble finding what he wants, all the Joe Schmoes most often shop at the same place, the same big box stores.
Me I can find what I want at the best price I can find it online and there is no shortage whatsoever, at least with standard ammo that is. Of course we are getting a little of track here.
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I was thinking on the variations of Ruger revolvers that only get offered by distributors, and the 44 Special GP-100… Joe Schmoe isn’t really the intended market for them. Myself - I spend some time outdoors in bear country. A big ol’ N frame or Ruger SRH .44 is some weight to pack around. A 4” GP-100 in .41 Mag might be a really packable handgun with decent power for someone with that need. Probably won’t appeal to Joe Schmoe much though.
 
[Incoming controversial opinion] Personally I don't view the 25 ACP as extinct, it still has a role for deep concealment/backup using a center fire cartridge. I would love to see new firearms using it as a platform (perhaps a double stack utilizing some +P designated firearms and accompanying ammo), but even without any development it is a good conceal carry weapon for certain people in certain situations. [end controversial opinion]
 
twarr1 said:
I have guns in the common chamberings but I also like to collect the oddball stuff. ‘
To me;
Uncommon - See 41 Magnum. Ammo still manufactured, may be hard to find.
Obsolete - Ammunition isn’t produced but components are still available.
Extinct - Ammo not available, components not available. I can’t think of any caliber that’s truly extinct off the top of my head, although I’m sure there are some. People even reload pin fire!
Obviously my definitions are about as useless as Internet Influencer.
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There are a few companies that load some really older rounds. Ian from the Forgotten Weapons you tube channel buys newly made ammo for one of his WW1 era French pistols
 
Kinda glad he’s just talking to hear his self crow. 3/4ths of the hand guns I own he says are going to be history next week. As long as I have a pulse the 32, 41, and 45 caliber stuff won’t be obsolete. JMHO
 
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