Carry choices, such a hard decision

Bazoo said:

So, would a gp100 be sufficient against 4 attackers in Chicago?

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Well, much would depend upon the attackers’ level of determination, and the tactics used in their approach. Not many property-acquisition-motivated criminals will continue to press the attack, in the face of determined resistance. Of course, any attackers that have already drawn their weapons can be expected to fire reflexively, which does not necessarily mean accurately. Surveillance video footage has shown that some number of armed criminals will turn and flee, while firing wild shots at their intended victim. Sometimes, these shots do manage to connect.

If I engage four armed attackers with gunfire, I would need to keep in mind that this fight will really, seriously need to be a battle of maneuver, though it needs to be remembered that Wyatt Earp stood still, at the gunfight near the OK Corral, in Tombstone, AZ, and was the only member of the Earp/Holliday faction to escape injury, while Virgil and Morgan Earp, and Doc Holliday all maneuvered, and were hit.

One useful maneuver, if practicable, would be get to where the nearest attacker is between me and the other attackers, but this must be done without stepping into the path of his gun’s muzzle, or, perhaps while gaining control of his muzzle. (If an attacker is stupid enough to extend the muzzle of his weapon to within my reach, he has given me a tremendous gift. This would give me such options as doing a take-way, if both of my hands are free, or stepping past his muzzle to start a very aggressive series of moves, of I have my weapon in-hand.)

Bazoo said:

So, would a gp100 be sufficient against 4 attackers in Chicago?

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Avoid Chicago. You don't even see the Mayor taking a stroll on the South Side.

Kleanbore said:

Yes, you could.
Yes, it is.
Hogwash.

I hate to put it quite this way, but this is clearly not your strong suit.

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Did you delete my post? If you can't counter the question, just say so. If you want to return the thread to the original topic, say so. But just making my post disappear seems like avoidance.

I have tried to be polite, as I said before, despite your condescension. But don't be too sure that you are the only person here with a mathematics education.

OP,
I divide shooting into two categories, a hobby and self defense. I own quite a few guns and as a hobby will shoot different guns. For self defense my considerations are among the calibers I'm comfortable using for self defense what gun I can put the most rounds on target accurately and quickly. All my guns are reliable or I don't keep them, so I have no bad choices there. I carry a Wilson Combat EDC X9S as it gives me the capacity I want and it meets the other requirements. Put another way, I thought about what gun I'd want with me if today was the day I needed it to protect myself or my family and what gives me the best chance of surviving that attack. That's the gun I carry daily.

Kleanbore said:

Sorry, but I can come up with no way to answer the question that will not likely be seen as insulting.

Postal rates, perhaps?

Further discussion along that line will not be productive.

TomJ summarized it pretty well:

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You keep editing out my actual response. You cannot calculate a rate without time passage or a function. A postal rate uses a function.

Perhaps permitting my response will not be useful to you. But it gets to the heart of decision-making around guns, so simply deleting the post is self-serving and not in the spirit of open debate

I am hereby formally requesting that you restore the post in its entirety.

Bazoo said:

If 4 people attack you, and you shoot one, don’t the other ones run? Or do they have a firefight with you? What kind of gun is sufficient to have a firefight with 4 attackers?

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1. They may run, or, they may not. Keep in mind that they may be shooting, while running away. A defender should move to cover, if practicable, even if the bad guys are running away.

2. They may engage in a firefight. It is unlikely, but, they might.

3. Any gun is sufficient, until it is not. Look at the GP100, in my avatar, at left. It fits me. That is my firing grip. Its long-stroke DA trigger pull suits me very well. I had to really work, diligently, in the Eighties and early Nineties, to achieve unconscious competence with long-stroke DA, but, having achieved that goal, it is less-perishable than my skill with any auto-loading pistol. I would start fighting, with a GP100, or any really good fighting revolver, in my hands. I may want my first “reload” to be a Glock G26, with several G19 mags, but, yes, I am OK with a medium to medium-large revolver as my go-to weapon.

Of course, if I knew that four attackers would be coming for me, I would bring a long gun, and two full-sized fightin’ handguns.

Rexster said:

Of course, if I knew that four attackers would be coming for me, I would bring a long gun, and two full-sized fightin’ handguns.

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To add a bit of clarification, I do not recommend that anyone seek an encounter with multiple attackers, or even one attacker. In that quoted line, I was referring to knowing that attackers would be looking for me, but without their being sufficiently courteous to first schedule an appointment.

This hypothetical is not entirely a fantasy, as both my wife and I played roles in putting felons into prisons.

This sadly is not out of the ordinary in Chicago. Attacks by multiple attackers is not common where we live now, but is common in Chicago. Not too long ago groups of teens went to Michigan Avenue, around Water Tower Place and looted stores and attacked people. Instead of being arrested and prosecuted they were told to get back on the subway and go back home. The best defense against this is to stay out of these areas, which includes all of downtown Chicago as these thugs know there will be few, if any consequences.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-public-bus-driver-hospitalized-beaten-teenager-charged

And most of Chicago looks like the cleanest, safest, city on earth.

Don't let your guard down. You can't count on your attackers to run anymore. They have more combat experience than you do, and they know it. There's a ton of vids on youtube where the bad guys are standing in the fight now. You may have even seen them at your range practicing.

Kleanbore said:

Of course, that is neither the time nor the place for a defensive handgun.

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Agreed. Chicago politics being what they are there's a better than average chance that you'd be the one facing charges, regardless of whether use of your gun was justified. We avoided that area when we lived there.

TomJ said:

Take this as one person's experience, but in the "safe" suburban area of Chicago I lived in up until last May I walked into an armed robbery in front of my house with four thugs in the car robbing a middle school aged kid, two shootings over a couple of years conducted by four thugs each time and a car jacking conducted by - you guessed it four thugs. I'm sure this varies by area, but you don't need to be a drug dealer or provide personal protection services in foreign countries to have to defend yourself from multiple attackers.

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That’s called ‘rolling 4 deep’.
And Springfield, the capital of Illinois is no picnic either. I walked out of the Lincoln library/museum to find a guy walking down the other side of the street. He was swinging a baseball bat, cussing about how he was going to %#}{ people up—just a rolling psychotic break. That makes the second time I’ve been to downtown Springfield and seen that kind of craziness.

roscoe said:

Do you have some evidence to support this? Three armed attackers is common? Unless you are involved in the narcotics distribution industry, or are employed by personal protection services in Papua New Guinea, I have a hard time believing this.

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https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/three-men-rob-the-right-uber-driver-in-philadelphia.1918854/