Ruger 9mm Carbine Defense?

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Submachine guns have largely disappeared in military use, the "assault rifle" has taken their place.
Occurs to me a home defense carbine should have a sling, something extra for the defender to hold on to. Jeff Cooper observed that it is extremely difficult to disarm someone when their weapon is attached to them.
 
Interesting the Cx4 shaves off several inches due to the magazine placement inside the grip vs forward of the triggerguard.

It does look like a fish though.
 
Submachine guns have largely disappeared in military use, the "assault rifle" has taken their place.
Occurs to me a home defense carbine should have a sling, something extra for the defender to hold on to. Jeff Cooper observed that it is extremely difficult to disarm someone when their weapon is attached to them.

We saw that in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Actually had the rifle pulled away from him at one point but still had the sling around his body so he retained possession.
 
As for the video of the shooting in Lubbock Texas... the man with the gun did everything WRONG! As a responsible gun owner I have to publicly go on record and distance myself from people like that. Castle Doctrine or not, folks that are eager to kill other folks aren't quite right in the head. That situation is a lesson in why not to bring a firearm into a verbal family squabble.

As for the weapon used... at the 7 to 8 feet distance the muzzle was from the target, a Davis derringer loaded with the same round would likely have terminal effect with the same shot placement.

^^^ All that being said, sure I think a 9mm carbine is a very effective weapon for law enforcement and legitimate SD/HD, especially when paired with a pistol that accepts the same magazines. I'm a big Ruger fan, but I don't own any Ruger semi-auto pistols. Not a big Glock fan, but they’re ok.

I've been a fan of S&W 3rd generation semi-auto pistols for 3 decades. So unless an adapter comes out that would allow me to use the PCC9 with my S&W 5900 series magazines I'd just as well have a vintage Marlin Camp-9. Same concept; different look and feel.

Back in the day I had the opportunity to handle a few different 9mm carbines when they were becoming a thing; the original Ruger PC9, the Feather Industries AT-9, and the Marlin Camp-9, at Don's Guns in Indianapolis. An Illinois State Trooper friend and I took a day trip to check them out. A good time was had by all.

the Ruger was nice, but I decided the Marlin Camp-9 would be most suitable back then, but never got around to buying one. (so many guns, so little time and money in those days). I liked the Marlin not only because of magazine compatibility with my S&W pistol, but also for the look and feel over the others.

All of the 9mm carbines available then and now give the user some advantages over a sidearm. In addition to a little more pep in fps, greater sight radius and stability for longer shots are among the benefits.

I still use Federal's 9BPLE +P load (in those days along with the 115gr W-W 115 +P+ AKA Illinois State Police Load) and Corbon's original 115gr +P. Corbon is 1350 fps from a 4" barrel. That round has been clocked at 1600+ fps from a 16" barrel carbine. Pretty zippy. Well, I've got the pistol and plenty of extra mags. All I need is a Camp-9. I hope to add one to my collection, lightly used, one of these days.

Can't get over that video. All I can say is if a guy is not at least as good with verbal judo or some form of de-escalation skills as he is at using firearms, he's not ready.
 
On another board someone suggested a Hi-Point carbine for home defense. Inexpensive but reliable, if it is taken for evidence you won't be crying the blues.
I have the Marlin Camp Carbines, I like the Feel of Steel.
 
On another board someone suggested a Hi-Point carbine for home defense. Inexpensive but reliable, if it is taken for evidence you won't be crying the blues.
I have the Marlin Camp Carbines, I like the Feel of Steel.
The HP are FAR from great but, I have yet to see someone buy one that did not work. For the damn price its really hard to go wrong as long as the buyer does not expect to get a 1K rifle for $300. There is a lot of video of people buying some to try to make them fail and finding out its quite hard to get one to stop working. So if money is tight? By all means they can and do work. Not to mention cheap fun.
 
All I have to do is walk through my house with my PC carbine then retrace my path with a pistol. For me it is obvious that a pistol is a much better weapon for me indoors. Outside is where the PC carbines make the most sense to me... where ranges are further.

I will stick with my XD mod 2 in .45acp for in the home defense.

As far as recoil I do find the bolt slap on my Ruger PC Carbine quite annoying. I wish I could afford a locked breach delayed action gun... but they are too expensive for me. My M1 carbine with its gas recoil system is a MUCH nicer shooter than the PC Carbine. It is also shorter making it more maneuverable.
 
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