S&W M17 Barrel not aligned

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So I picked up a Model 17-3 recently. I thought I looked it over pretty well before handing over cash but apparently I didn't, because as soon as I took it to the range I immediately realized the barrel is off a couple degrees in relation to the frame. The barrel appears to be perfectly perpendicular to the frame, but it's over-threaded a hair. From what I understand K frame barrel removal isn't for a DIYer. Is this something that S&W could fix or a decent gunsmith? And would that affect accuracy? It shoots....OK. Not great, but not horrible.



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S&W would likely tell you that it is within spec if it's not so far off that sight adjustment can't compensate for it. A good gunsmith could correct it. He'd likely remove the barrel, thread it a bit deeper so it could be screwed in another almost full turn and re cut the forcing cone.
FWIW I've seen more than one Performance Center gun, although with 2 piece barrels, clocked worse than that.
 
A 17-3 places it in the 40 to 50 year old
category with out-of-production features.
Any gun can be tweaked but
you might just be a bit too late to make
a "correction" at a reasonable or a
worthwhile cost.

Enjoy as is or get rid of it.
 
The pin in the barrel allows several degrees of rotation. The shoulder of the barrel snugging up to the frame is what locks the barrel in place.
Any competent gunsmith or S&W Armorer could fix that.

Kevin
 
As far as I remember, the barrel has to be hand tightened to about 6 minutes before the 12 o'clock position and then should stop in the right place. Unfortunately that was all too often not the case and the staff that assembled the guns were paid by the number of guns assembled, so they rushed through it. I have seen many S&W revolvers from that era with the typically "overtorqued" canted barrels. A friend of mine was annoyed by his revolver barrel being over torqued and fixed it with a thin clutch shim for some rc engine and it worked well.
 
Yeah, I can move the rear sight and it shoots to POA. It just really bothers me every time I look down the sights and the front blade is very clearly leaning at an angle. And the accuracy isn't what I expected; I recently picked up a 3" Taurus 942 in .22lr and I can outshoot the S&W with that Taurus. I might contact a smith and see what it would cost to align, or just let the gun go.
 

Thank you. Me, personally, if it were the 8 3/8” model I would jump through hoops to fix it and keep it. Since it’s the 6”, maybe not so much.
I have that same model 6” and I love it. Mine is very accurate with lots of different .22LR ammo.
I had an aggravating experience with a model 60 Pro and a canted barrel shroud which left be a bit bitter with S&W, but I won’t bore you with the details. I do understand how irritating a canted barrel can be even if it shoots well.
 
Thank you. Me, personally, if it were the 8 3/8” model I would jump through hoops to fix it and keep it. Since it’s the 6”, maybe not so much.
I have that same model 6” and I love it. Mine is very accurate with lots of different .22LR ammo.
I had an aggravating experience with a model 60 Pro and a canted barrel shroud which left be a bit bitter with S&W, but I won’t bore you with the details. I do understand how irritating a canted barrel can be even if it shoots well.

I'm leaning the same way. Since it's not the shooter I hoped it would be, and the overclocked barrel is largely cosmetic, I don't know if it'd be worth the cost to fix since I can find another one, or a 617 pretty easily. I might try a few different ammo types to see if it's picky, but it's been my experience that at ranges under 15 yards it doesn't much matter what I put through a .22.
 
@bassjam
Mine is accurate with the following ammo:
Federal black box 40 grain
Aguila Super Extra
Winchester Xpert HV
CCI Stinger

It’s really accurate with
CCI Velocitor
CCI Standard Velocity
Federal March blue box
Aguila Velocitor

If you can find any of these give them a try in yours.
Most ammo gives me so-so accuracy, but the above listed ammos are most accurate. Especially in single action.
 
I've already put Aguila Super Extra HV and SV through it, which most of my other guns shoot really well the but 17 was just so-so with. The other day I ran Winchester 333 36g hp in it too which ran about as well as the Aguila.
 
Howdy

I bought my Model 17-3 brand-spanky new in 1975.

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I must admit that in all those years I have never taken a close look to see it the barrel rib is precisely lined up with the rib on the frame. I just looked today. Yes, it is perfect. Any slight apparent misalignment would be caused by me not getting a photo perfectly perpendicular to the gun.

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The pin in the barrel allows several degrees of rotation. The shoulder of the barrel snugging up to the frame is what locks the barrel in place.
Any competent gunsmith or S&W Armorer could fix that.


As has been stated, that revolver has a pinned barrel. At the factory, once the barrel was torqued in place, a hole was drilled through the frame and the barrel and a pin inserted. I must admit I have never heard that the pin will allow several degrees of rotation. If that were true, why bother to pin the barrel at all? Your barrel was clearly over torqued a bit before the pin was installed. In my perhaps incorrect opinion, the only way to line up the barrel perfectly would be to machine away an entire thread pitch off the shoulder of the barrel and retorque the barrel until the rib lines up perfectly. That will shorten your barrel by one thread pitch, what ever that is. The new shoulder would also have to be threaded the appropriate amount so the barrel can snug up against the frame. The forcing cone would also have to be machined down a proportionate amount to get the barrel/cylinder gap correct. This was done on a dedicated fixture at the factory that lined up the barrel so the correct length could be machined off the forcing cone to provide the correct barrel/cylinder gap. Once this all has been done, a new hole will have to be drilled through the barrel for a pin.

I suppose given enough money, anything can be done. If you could find a smith capable of doing all this, I suspect it might cost more than you paid for the revolver. All the operations I have described were routine at the factory when your Model 17 was made, so a number of revolvers could be processed at one time. You are going to have to pay a smith to set up and do each of these operations for one revolver, which will be more expensive than amortizing the cost over several revolvers.

For a short moment I thought I would go through all my Smith and Wesson revolvers to see how well the barrel ribs line up with the frame. Only thought about it for a minute or so before I decided I would not bother.

What the heck, here is my Model 14-3 from the same time period. Ever so slightly off. No where near as bad as yours. But these photos should give you a fairly good idea of what was leaving the factory in the 1970s. No, I am not going to go through any more of my other Smiths, way too many.

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What's bugging you is that you missed this during the pre-buy inspection. Every time you shoot the gun you'll be reminded of that.

OTOH, if Dad or Grampa had left you this gun, then the misalignment would just add to its charm and you'd happily live with it.

When you go to shoot it, think of how proud Dad or Grampa would be of such a nice piece back in the day and how they would heckle you about being fussy. I'd shoot the thing...a lot. Then leave it to your son. He'll like it.
 
So I picked up a Model 17-3 recently. I thought I looked it over pretty well before handing over cash but apparently I didn't, because as soon as I took it to the range I immediately realized the barrel is off a couple degrees in relation to the frame. The barrel appears to be perfectly perpendicular to the frame, but it's over-threaded a hair. From what I understand K frame barrel removal isn't for a DIYer. Is this something that S&W could fix or a decent gunsmith? And would that affect accuracy? It shoots....OK. Not great, but not horrible.
M17-3 still has a pinned barrel, a gunsmith should be able to drive out the pin, re-clock the barrel without removing it and replace the pin, which is likely bent a little. That would drive me nuts, even if the gun shot well, just seeing the misalignment down the top strap and ramp

As for the comment about "...Give you a fairly good idea of what was leaving the factory in the 1970's", all my S&W's were made either in the 1960's or 1970's, and none are mis-clocked. Not to say it couldn't have happened back then, but it was definitely the exception rather than the rule.
 
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M17-3 still has a pinned barrel, a gunsmith should be able to drive out the pin, re-clock the barrel without removing it and replace the pin, which is likely bent a little. That would drive me nuts, even if the gun shot well, just seeing the misalignment down the top strap and ramp

As for the comment about "...Give you a fairly good idea of what was leaving the factory in the 1970's", all my S&W's were made either in the 1960's or 1970's, and none are mis-clocked. Not to say it couldn't have happened back then, but it was definitely the exception rather than the rule.

Once the barrel has been over torqued, you cannot just screw it back out. The steel has been compressed, damage is done.
 
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