Alec Baldwin: "I didn't pull the trigger.."

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Interested reading about what sort of safety the gun might have had.
A Beretta Stampede indeed has a transfer bar, and it's made by Uberti...now owned by Beretta. But not all repo revos work that way.
My Taylor-marketed Uberti originally had an internal rod that activated the firing pin on the hammer. I was offended by the non original works, so replaced it with a conventional 4-click hammer.
Assuming a similar 4-click hammer, there are three notches that must be defeated before the firing pin can reach a primer. Even if the gun wasn't fully cocked, Baldwin would have had to pull the trigger to allow the hammer to avoid the notches and the gun to fire.
And if the hammer wasn't virtually fully cocked, the cylinder wouldn't have timed up to having a round aligned with the barrel.
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Speedo66 said:
I seem to remember reading somewhere that he said he didn't even have his finger in the trigger guard, and that someone saw that and can verify it, perhaps the producer who handed him the "cold" gun?

Wonder what the chances are that if someone of importance on the set comes forward and says they saw him doing something negligent they will be blacklisted from working in the industry again?
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Which woyld apoear to be a lie on his part. He is quoted as saying he was practicing drawing and cocking the gun for the cinematographer multiple times, and you can't do that without sticking your finger in the trigger guard and pulling the trigger to decock the gun
 
FL-NC said:
Since he didn't pull the trigger, the discharge must have been some type of mechanical failure or malfunction. No idea what type of gun was used, but I bet that specific gun is being held in evidence. Most guns aren't that complicated, mechanically speaking. Not compared to something like an internal combustion engine, or most electrical items, or this laptop I'm using right now. Should be a simple affair for a certified expert/tech/gunsmith/armorer on whatever type of gun we are talking about to inspect the gun inside and out, and determine what the mechanical status is, if safety features are functioning, etc. That still leaves the question of why the gun was pointed in the direction it was at the time of the discharge. Can't really argue that point, because if it had been pointed somewhere else, then the bullet would have gone somewhere else, since that is how that works.
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Baldwin claims he didn't pull the trigger. That is NOT an established fact at the moment
 
DrDeFab said:
Just to clarify, here is an extended quote from Baldwin:


So while it does nothing to address all the other forms of negligence, he is not claiming the gun cocked itself.

I wonder about the possibility he was unaware he was holding the trigger down while he was cocking and fanned it. (...which is also not an excuse, but might lead him to think he didn't "pull" the trigger.) Anyone know if that's possible on the Pietta?
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Baldwin did say "I cocked the gun" which means he knew at that moment the hammer is fully back, from there the only way to release the hammer is to pull the trigger. The only conclusion one can come to is that he pulled the trigger.
 
Milt1 said:
Baldwin did say "I cocked the gun" which means he knew at that moment the hammer is fully back, from there the only way to release the hammer is to pull the trigger. The only conclusion one can come to is that he pulled the trigger.
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Or he partially cocked and let go/it slipped.
 
He says he released the hammer and it went off. So either he held it before it got to full cock, which is unlikely. Or more likely, he was holding the trigger the whole time. Either way, that tells us that he had no clue what he was doing with it. Hannah Reed says she pushed for more training and was overruled by production.

I don't think the interview is going to have the desired effect.
 
Saw the interview last night on T.V. Claiming since he didn't pull the trigger, he felt he was not responsible for the girl's death......what a crock of crap. No body else pointed the gun at her without checking the chamber first. All the idiot is trying to do is cloud the subject so other folks with no knowledge of how guns operate will consider him the victim. While there are others that are to blame.....Baldwin is still the one responsible for the bullet leaving the gun in an unsafe direction. It may not have been on purpose, but it is still his fault.
 
I heard him say on TV last night : someone is responsible for the shooting, and it is not me.
How come the courts are always asking us to be on a jury, but never ask us when something like this comes up?? The only way we ever get to know all the facts is by being on the jury............................... I'd pay to be on the jury!
 
Baldwin must have the world’s worst attorney- by doing this interview he married himself to:
a) a version of events which will be able to
be demonstrated to be false.
b) an admission that the action he took was
known to him to be extremely negligent

His best defense would have been to say nothing and rely on “holy cr$& - there was an actual bullet in there!”
 
danez71 said:
Or he partially cocked and let go/it slipped.
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Not so! He said, "I cocked the gun" which means he not only heard the mechanism of the cocking action, he also felt it! Now if he only heard and felt it move into half-cock, the only way it could have been released from half cock is to pull the trigger. If it was at half cock it isn't going to let go/it slipped from half or full cock without the trigger being pulled unless the revolver had a serious malfunction which hasn't been mentioned. I've shot single action revolvers all my life and I know from years of experience he's LYING!
 
The Glockodile said:
Speculation: There's no standardized drill like what a pilot would do in a pre - flight survey of the plane.
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I would be surprised if there isn't a check list for firearms handling scenes on a union labor set. It is my understandoing this was a non-union set and film crew.
I am a pro right to work guy, but I will say, unions do have an honorable function, too. When a union guy with his journeyman's card is doing the work on a construction job, the quality of his work is probably head and shoulders above any non-union guy doing the same job. This has been my experience, anyway. YMMV.
 
Milt1 said:
Not so! He said, "I cocked the gun" which means he not only heard the mechanism of the cocking action, he also (snip).....
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I do think he has some culpability but that's a whole lot of assumptions.

He wasn't testifying. He wasn't writing a tech manual.

He's a dope that was on TV doing PR.
 
I wasn't on the set that day so I never witnessed what happened. Pretty sure a real armorer will do some forensics on the gun in question and find it was mechanically fit. Only those who were actually there can begin to say what may or may not have happened. There were certainly enough people there. A few facts are well enough known at this point. The gun in question was in fact loaded with at least a single round of very real ammunition. The gun did fire while in Baldwin's hands and a very real bullet past through one crew member killing her and lodged in another injuring him. Watching this play out is like rats deserting a sinking ship all screaming "it's not my fault". Eventually extensive investigations will complete and a DA acting on a grand jury will make charges and then following another long eventually things will move to court.

While not Alec Baldwin class of notoriety I just read about a hunter who shot and killed his 11 year old daughter in Texas. There have been plenty of accidents as a result of negligence. While I figure you can have A or B I can't see accident and negligence being used together. Things like this are A or B. "I thought the gun was safe or cleared" and after someone is dead it's a little late to worry about safety.

Pretty sure and again I was not on the set that day in the Alec Baldwin incident there will be plenty of blame to go around.

Ron
 
Poper said:
I would be surprised if there isn't a check list for firearms handling scenes on a union labor set. It is my understandoing this was a non-union set and film crew.
I am a pro right to work guy, but I will say, unions do have an honorable function, too. When a union guy with his journeyman's card is doing the work on a construction job, the quality of his work is probably head and shoulders above any non-union guy doing the same job. This has been my experience, anyway. YMMV.
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Yep, was a Union Journeyman Carpenter. You work and go to school in the evenings as apprentices for 4 years.
 
Movie actors use real guns all the time and most of them aren't gun people. If the prop director hands them a firearm it isn't unreasonable for them to presume it's safe. I think alot more blame falls on the person who gave him a gun with live ammo in it than it does on Baldwin himself.
 
Speedo66 said:
I seem to remember reading somewhere that he said he didn't even have his finger in the trigger guard, and that someone saw that and can verify it, perhaps the producer who handed him the "cold" gun?

Wonder what the chances are that if someone of importance on the set comes forward and says they saw him doing something negligent they will be blacklisted from working in the industry again?
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The best thing will be if the DA's office has the actual gun checked to see if there is any way it could have fired without the trigger being pulled.
 
Andrew Branca made a new video after watching the interview, he says it only reinforces his previous opinion, under New Mexico law Alec Baldwin is guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

 
BlueHeelerFl said:
Baldwin claims he didn't pull the trigger. That is NOT an established fact at the moment
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I understand that. I am also inclined to NOT believe his claim- my point was that a detailed inspection of the gun in question could determine if he is lying, with the reason(s) why that gun was oriented where it was when he fired it, or it fired itself, or whatever he is saying happened- still being another discussion topic in the investigation.
 
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