SIG P2022?
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The SP2022 is a good gun but it is IMHO very un Sig Like in the trigger department. If you have shot a lot of P series DA/SA triggers you will find the DA trigger long. It is very smooth but long. It "rolls" like a revolver. The SA is decent and more similar to a classic P series. I like the gun. I have one and it serves as a personal protector for the wife. We put it in that role because it is a very shootable gun. It has proven itself 100% reliable and perfect for the role it is in. It is a bit large for a CCW gun but could work as on in a pinch.
I personally prefer the P228 over the SP2022 but the SP2022 was a $350 gun when I bought it.
I personally prefer the P228 over the SP2022 but the SP2022 was a $350 gun when I bought it.
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They were a great buy at less than $400. It was easy for SIG to keep the price down as the French contract paid for all the R&D and SIG has never introduced any variations that drove the price up. It was designed to offer a 229 sized package at a lighter weight.
Of all the SIG Classic P-series DA/SA pistols, the 2022 has the best out-of-the-box DA...it is almost as nice as their DAK. I've shot several and they have always proved as accurate as any of the Classic P-series pistols. In my experience the most accurate have been the ones chambered in 357 SIG
Of all the SIG Classic P-series DA/SA pistols, the 2022 has the best out-of-the-box DA...it is almost as nice as their DAK. I've shot several and they have always proved as accurate as any of the Classic P-series pistols. In my experience the most accurate have been the ones chambered in 357 SIG
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I have a FDE model of the SP2022 in 9 milli-metric and love it.
Definitely the most underrated Sig Sauer pistol produced. Safariland makes a great lined holster for it.
With the French contact expiring next year. I think we'll see a bunch available at even cheaper prices than we have now
Definitely the most underrated Sig Sauer pistol produced. Safariland makes a great lined holster for it.
With the French contact expiring next year. I think we'll see a bunch available at even cheaper prices than we have now
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From everything I've read it's a great bargain compared to other Sig handguns without sacrificing performance. I have never owned one but did shoot it. It's not bad at all and it has a nice trigger from what I remember.
gc70
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Huh, just noticed they made both internal and external extractor versions. Learned something new today!
The SIG-Pro design has seen a number of changes since the introduction of the SP2340/SP2009 - not in any particular order:
- frames have been made in Switzerland, Germany, and the United States
- switched from the original proprietary rail to a Picatinny rail
- changed the decocker from a high plastic piece to a lower folded metal piece
- changed from serrations to stippling on the front strap of the frame's grip
- switched from an internal extractor to an external extractor
- changed from Large and Medium grips marked SigPro to Medium and Small grips marked SigSauer
- one type of grip had an extended lanyard loop (French police contract over-runs?)
- the slide finish was changed from Nitron to Ilafon and back to Nitron, with natural stainless also available
- the depression in the right side of the frame around the slide lock lever pin was enlarged
- the front of the trigger guard was changed from rounded to hooked
- the Fire Control Unit was originally available in DA/SA or DAO (DAO is no longer available)
- the takedown notch in the slide was moved back (see @JCooperfan1911 photo) and then forward to where it started
- there was a compact SPC2022 version in Europe (my SPC2009 in the photos is a Custom Shop designation)
And for visual comparison:
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JR24: I know nothing about the 2022.
But I own my second true German civilian P225 (it is proof marked- Sig USA guns such as the 225 - A1 have No proof marks), which is what Sig modified to create the 'identical' P6 for the German police and "FBI"/Bundeskrim.-/Grenz-, so to speak, and for other countries.
This info is mentioned only because some new shooters who are inexperienced with foreign guns (or Very seasoned, but only with striker-fired) might be reading.
If the 2022 has been produced with inner or outer extractors, I might prefer the inner type, mostly because Sig 228s, 225s/P6 all have the inner, do they not?
If a 2022 is preferred due to having a lighter polymer frame, do most 2022 fans also compare its dimensions with a classic, double-stack P228?
length 2022: 7.4" / 228: 7.1"
width 2022: 1.4" / 228: 1.5"
height 2022: 5.7" / 228: 5.4"
Weight was excluded because most handgun owners now won't even consider an all-metal carry gun (?).
My P228 was sold only because it was truly near-mint; that is exactly why I would Not have carried it, except a few times to the private club. The cash helped pay for the imported CSA VZ-58.
But I own my second true German civilian P225 (it is proof marked- Sig USA guns such as the 225 - A1 have No proof marks), which is what Sig modified to create the 'identical' P6 for the German police and "FBI"/Bundeskrim.-/Grenz-, so to speak, and for other countries.
This info is mentioned only because some new shooters who are inexperienced with foreign guns (or Very seasoned, but only with striker-fired) might be reading.
If the 2022 has been produced with inner or outer extractors, I might prefer the inner type, mostly because Sig 228s, 225s/P6 all have the inner, do they not?
If a 2022 is preferred due to having a lighter polymer frame, do most 2022 fans also compare its dimensions with a classic, double-stack P228?
length 2022: 7.4" / 228: 7.1"
width 2022: 1.4" / 228: 1.5"
height 2022: 5.7" / 228: 5.4"
Weight was excluded because most handgun owners now won't even consider an all-metal carry gun (?).
My P228 was sold only because it was truly near-mint; that is exactly why I would Not have carried it, except a few times to the private club. The cash helped pay for the imported CSA VZ-58.
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Elkins45
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I bought one in 357 Sig when they were selling them cheap. It’s accurate and reliable. My only complaint is the DA trigger, which feels like shooting a H&K USP, and that’s not a compliment.
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Elkins45:
A few years ago I rented a stock HK USP Compact 9mm at an indoor store/range. Really like shooting it, well almost....
The DA trigger - and with no experience (then) with changing gun 'internals'- is the Only thing, despite the higher prices of HKs, which kept me from seeking a USP Compact.
The chambering, considering an HK's superb quality, would not have mattered on any USP Compact: 9, .40, maybe even a (first) .45, but their normal stock DA trigger had just enough extra stacking at the very end of the pull, to be a turn-off.
A few years ago I rented a stock HK USP Compact 9mm at an indoor store/range. Really like shooting it, well almost....
The DA trigger - and with no experience (then) with changing gun 'internals'- is the Only thing, despite the higher prices of HKs, which kept me from seeking a USP Compact.
The chambering, considering an HK's superb quality, would not have mattered on any USP Compact: 9, .40, maybe even a (first) .45, but their normal stock DA trigger had just enough extra stacking
at the very end of the pull, to be a turn-off.
However, it still appears more expensive than a Glock.
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Maybe used or compared to a Gen 3, I generally see the Gen 5s going for more.
I don’t think they, or Glocks are or feel cheap, that’s silly.
Man, this thread is making me regret (again) not picking up a used but nice shape 2022 for $325 a few years back.
Sadly I hadn’t figured out DA/SA yet back then and didn’t see the point in another one I’d never shoot. Of course now I’ve made that discovery and it would be a real nice 9mm carry option for sure. A smidge larger in the grip than I generally prefer (IIRC, it felt closer to the 226 than the 229 when last I shot my brothers) but certainly doable. Mags are probably a pain to find though
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Me too, on a 40S&W.
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I've had two of them. Gave one away to my soon to be son-in-law but the wedding fell through. That saved me $60K.
The other gun was bought on impulse, later did I discover that there's not much you can do with the trigger because it's caged. Even Sig custom won't work on them. Guess I'll keep it for prospective son-in-law #2.
The other gun was bought on impulse, later did I discover that there's not much you can do with the trigger because it's caged. Even Sig custom won't work on them. Guess I'll keep it for prospective son-in-law #2.
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The 2022s seemed to be almost universally thought of as good quality pistols. In Paris a few years ago, the officers I saw there were all armed with 2022s. A local deputy has carried a 2022 for years and really likes it. I handled one, but it did not fit me well. Just individual preference.
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Nice. Have always wanted to go to try escargots.
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My older brother has one, was the first pistol he bought. Sig jumped on the budget firearm but quality before there was a bandwagon with other makers joining. It is a good pistol. I shot it a few times and my brother has a lot more. Neither of us have seen it malfunction, and we tried to. But you will feel that quality change that comes with a cheaper gun compared to a P226 or something in that family. Edges will be rougher, finish not as even etc.
Having owned many cheap firearms in my life, I will never dissuade someone from owning something cheaper if that is what that person can afford. Just know what you are getting into. For someone that has other firearms, it would make a good beater/truck or otherwise non primary EDC handgun.
Having owned many cheap firearms in my life, I will never dissuade someone from owning something cheaper if that is what that person can afford. Just know what you are getting into. For someone that has other firearms, it would make a good beater/truck or otherwise non primary EDC handgun.
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I found no difference in fit, finish, or other build quality factors between my all-stainless P226ST and P220ST pistols and my SIG-Pro pistols. The milled slides of the SIG-Pro pistols did show more attention to fit and finish than my P228's folded slide.
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I agree, I don’t see a world of difference. Other than the fact that the frame is polymer and, frankly, I shoot the 2022 just as well as the 228 I have or 229 I used to have. Not as well as the 226, but that’s a SAO Legion and is apples to oranges
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Maybe it was just my brother's pistol. Or maybe I am more focused on looking for differences between pistols. I handled plenty of P226s and noticed budget saving cuts made on the 2022. The Sig Pro has more polymer controls like the decocker, magazine release etc. That works fine on other pistols and I have no issue with polymer, I know they work. But steel controls usually feel better in my hands. Actions like decocking, cocking the hammer, and rotating the take down lever feel "squishy" compared to something like a P226. One of the times I handled my brother's I also borrowed a P226 to compare side by side and close up. Both are great pistols. Both I would like to have at some point.
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I bought one of the German made SP2022 French contract overrun guns. I find it to be of very high quality and extremely robust pistol that is also very accurate. When new after initial release the SP2022 went for about $700 and was never a "budget gun" design of SIGs but their first attempt at a quality poly frame pistol with a modular FCU. It is on the heavier side for a poly frame pistol which imparts a solid feel in the hand and it has massive steel tabs that the slide rides on with the front tabs part of the steel locking insert and the rear tabs part of the steel FCU. One almost never will read of a 9MM SP2022 breaking. A few years back I posted on SIGforum for responses from SP2022 owners on what parts they had experienced a breakage because of my desire to keep some spare parts. There are several SP2022 owners there and not a single post of a part breaking. Bruce Gray of Grayguns was known to have carried an SP2022 for years while he was a part time deputy I believe.
I don't shoot my SP2022 as much these days though it is a great pistol but I just like shooting my HK P30L better and it fits my hands better while my SP2022 fits my hand just OK. The long slide release of the SP2022 is a bit annoying to me too but I have since adjusted my grip so that I don't have a problem with the slide lot locking back on the last round fired anymore. I find the trigger on my SP2022 to be very nice. SA is a treat but DA is long, but smooth. The take down for field strip of an SP2022 is different than from my P226/P228 and more like a CZ. At first it can be a bit difficult until one is used to it. The poly guide rod will get a bit chewed up at first but after that wear stops and it works fine, never heard of one breaking. I have shot at least 3000 rounds through my SP2022 and never a single problem of any sort - I complelely trust it as much as any other pistol I own.
Below is a video of a guy doing a 5000 round range test on the SP2022 shooting about as fast as he can. Picture is a target of my first range trip with my SP2022 at 21 feet and a magazine of 15 shots. The German made SP2022s have a very nice ilaflon finish on the slide and controls.
I don't shoot my SP2022 as much these days though it is a great pistol but I just like shooting my HK P30L better and it fits my hands better while my SP2022 fits my hand just OK. The long slide release of the SP2022 is a bit annoying to me too but I have since adjusted my grip so that I don't have a problem with the slide lot locking back on the last round fired anymore. I find the trigger on my SP2022 to be very nice. SA is a treat but DA is long, but smooth. The take down for field strip of an SP2022 is different than from my P226/P228 and more like a CZ. At first it can be a bit difficult until one is used to it. The poly guide rod will get a bit chewed up at first but after that wear stops and it works fine, never heard of one breaking. I have shot at least 3000 rounds through my SP2022 and never a single problem of any sort - I complelely trust it as much as any other pistol I own.
Below is a video of a guy doing a 5000 round range test on the SP2022 shooting about as fast as he can. Picture is a target of my first range trip with my SP2022 at 21 feet and a magazine of 15 shots. The German made SP2022s have a very nice ilaflon finish on the slide and controls.
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This is a video from the italian gun magazine "Armi e Tiro". That SP2022 is a 9x21 IMI pistol made for the italian market. Ammunition is 9x21 IMI Fiocchi Top Target 124gr CP-RN.
$$$ didn't have much to do with the feeling.
Silly?? even if born out of 1st hand experience? I wouldn't pay 1 dollar for the gun again.
Not being a native English speaker, I think I expressed myself badly. I probably should have written: "However, it still looks and feel a more expensive pistol than a Glock".
It's hard to say a SP2022 feels like a .05 cent cheap toy. My point is: if a SP2022 feels like a .05 cent cheap toy, a Glock feels like a .04 cent cheap toy, but strangely I think you would never say that a Glock feels like a .05 cent cheap toy, but you say it about the SP2022 which among the two pistols is surely the one that appears to be more substantial.
As far as I'm concerned I would never say that neither the Glock nor the SP2022 look and feel like a .05 cent cheap toy, just to clarify that I have no prejudices regarding the Glocks. But if a SP2022 feels like a .05 cent cheap toy, then we'd have to say virtually the same thing about every polymer pistol because they're pretty much all made of plastic, sheet metal and MIM parts as far as the frame is concerned. A polymer pistol is judged above all by its steel parts (primarily slide and barrel) and as far as these parts are concerned, the SP2022 does seem second to none. The quality of the SP2022 magazines is also beyond question and the magazines are an important part of the pistol.
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Ironically, SIG built its commercial reputation for extremely high reliability on its classic P-series pistols, which were designed around the cost-cutting innovation of their folded steel slides.
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