Thanks Gunny! Wish I would’ve found it along with the photos
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kopcicle
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She does. That picture and her story are at the National Museum of the United States Air Force (Cold War Gallery).
Speedo66
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Great museum just outside Dayton OH, with free admission and 360 aircraft to see.
It's closer to 400 at this moment. More to come soon too.
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The worst handgun I ever shot and can't believe it was ever used by a military but it was for a while, Beretta 1934. Slide stays open last shot on the magazine but when you remove the magazine the slide slams forward, and the trigger is gawd aweful heavy trigger pull poundage. Was my grand dad's so now I have it.
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I had a very similar reaction to the 1934 but the 1935 I own is a dream. It has the same slide close when mag removed issue but then so did many handguns of that period.
Archie
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You make an excellent argument as to why this is not a premium self defense pistol.
Except you didn't mention the rather puny cartridge, the rudimentary sights and the two-handed safety.
You are correct in it was adopted by a modern era army. The nation of Italy under Mussolini. The model 1934 (9mm Short - Corto -or .380 ACP to most of us) was the Army version and a year later, the Air Force adopted the same design but in 7.65mm Browning or .32 ACP, designated it as the model 1935.
What you did not mention is handguns are not considered a serious implement of war by military and civilian heads of military forces. When the handgun was adopted, Wars were fought with rifles, machineguns, mortars to some extent, cannons and aircraft on land and mostly cannons, some machineguns and aircraft on the sea. Handguns have never been considered important from a strategic or even tactical standpoint, save for some very specialized uses like the 'Tunnel Rats' of Vietnam.
The pistol was designed in the early 1930s. The design was continued until the 1970s, used by the Italian police and bought for personal use in many nations (including the U. S.) It seems to have lasted in design longer than the Duesenberg automobile. It was a normal pistol of the time.
By the way. I do accept the fact your grandfather owned it, but the grips and slide markings show it to be post war built. Likely in the 1950s and later, sold in the U. S.
Are later pistols built better - that is with more useful features? Yes. The industry - as do all - has learned from earlier non-effectiveness of various types of all things. However, the underpowered Beretta pistols were reliable. They fired when called upon.
Speedo66
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The US Army cavalry seemed to get a lot of use from their Colt SAA revolvers.
Speedo66
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I see the slide is turning the typical Beretta plum color.
European police and military have historically tended towards smaller caliber handguns for some reason.
Steel Hayes
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As random as it gets.
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lionking
Love your trio of Enfields! They look to be well preserved and in fantastic shape!
As for your Beretta Model 1934, the company definitely made some much needed updates to the design when they introduced the Model 70 Series in 1958. Now there was a slide release lever, a frame mounted safety, a decent trigger, a more streamlined design, and a frame mounted magazine release, although it was a bit lower on the grip frame. All in all some well thought out improvements to a relatively compact (for it's time), semi-auto pistol.
Love your trio of Enfields! They look to be well preserved and in fantastic shape!
As for your Beretta Model 1934, the company definitely made some much needed updates to the design when they introduced the Model 70 Series in 1958. Now there was a slide release lever, a frame mounted safety, a decent trigger, a more streamlined design, and a frame mounted magazine release, although it was a bit lower on the grip frame. All in all some well thought out improvements to a relatively compact (for it's time), semi-auto pistol.
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mope540---that gun looks like one that I used to own---a S&W Model 25-2 .45acp with a 2in barrel and a K frame round grip.
It started out as a 6" barrel 25-2 and was modified at the Jovino shop. Letter verified.
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Yes the Jovino shop. I bought it like new from an ex LEO. The dept wouldn't let him carry it.
Archie
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Wrong again.
In the case of Cavalry, the weapon used was primary a sword. The U. S. advanced to the handgun vice the sword. That use easily qualifies as a 'special use'. One notes that since the U. S. Cavalry was motorized, handguns have been used much less for strategic or tactical victory.
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It is said “If anything ever goes wrong with it, you can fix it with a hammer”. Sounds right.
Not particularly refined, not pretty, 20+ pound trigger pull, and the only gun ever made to shoot the 7.62x38R cartridge. … Love it. 1944 Nagant revolver
Not particularly refined, not pretty, 20+ pound trigger pull, and the only gun ever made to shoot the 7.62x38R cartridge. … Love it. 1944 Nagant revolver
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Effector Revolver.
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