IDPA Bellybutton Holster Survey

Jim Watson · Dec 12, 2021

IDPA.com has a member survey as to whether the fashionable AIWB holster should be allowed in competition.

If you are not a member, write in and tell them you will join if you can wear your style holster.

jmorris · Dec 12, 2021

Jim Watson said:
…, write in and tell them you will join if you can wear your style holster.

Horizontal shoulder holsters being allowed would make things more “exciting”…

Jim Watson · Dec 13, 2021

Jeff Cooper sometimes wore a shoulder holster but it was the old style near vertical. Still covering a wide arc on the draw.

Chuck R. · Dec 15, 2021

Jim Watson said:
IDPA.com has a member survey as to whether the fashionable AIWB holster should be allowed in competition.

If you are not a member, write in and tell them you will join if you can wear your style holster.

Frankly I'd be amazed to see it pass, going to be hard from an RSO perspective to see what if any body parts get swept while drawing. I'd love to see it allowed, it might put the "defensive", back into IDPA.

Jim Watson · Dec 15, 2021

Maybe. It hasn't put the "practical" back in USPSA, though.

Corpral_Agarn · Dec 15, 2021

I'd like to see aiwb be allowed.

If you watch videos from the old days of practical shooting, you see a lot of holsters on belts (outside the waistband) in that same position

Jim Watson · Dec 15, 2021

If you watch videos from the old days of practical shooting, you see a lot of holsters on belts (outside the waistband) in that same position

And as one old-timer said, you will see a lot of sweeping going on, too.

I approved on the survey with the caveats that holsters should stay open and not have to be peeled back to insert the pistol and recommended a starting position offset to the strong side so the shooter would not be starting out at 179 degrees.
I think the SOs will need remedial instruction to be strict with AIWBs.

I watched the same thing in CAS. You are SUPPOSED to twist to the strong side so cross drawing your second sixgun does not violate the SASS 170 degree limit. I saw a lot of competitors just kind of wiggle their butt and draw.

Chuck R. · Dec 15, 2021

Jim Watson said:
And as one old-timer said, you will see a lot of sweeping going on, too.

I approved on the survey with the caveats that holsters should stay open and not have to be peeled back to insert the pistol and recommended a starting position offset to the strong side so the shooter would not be starting out at 179 degrees.
I think the SOs will need remedial instruction to be strict with AIWBs.

I watched the same thing in CAS. You are SUPPOSED to twist to the strong side so cross drawing your second sixgun does not violate the SASS 170 degree limit. I saw a lot of competitors just kind of wiggle their butt and draw.

CAS "Cowboy Swish"

Is how I drew my 2nd Colt in CAA, basically as you described, you pivot your left hip towards the berm as to not break the 180 and muzzle anybody behind you.

1KPerDay · Dec 15, 2021

Based on what I've personally seen of people shoving their glocks,or Beretta 92s withe the hammer cocked/safety off, into their OWB holsters with shirts/sweatshirts/twinkies jammed in them, I don't think an AIWB option is going to go well, personally. I guess we can practice tourniquet use...

1KPerDay · Dec 15, 2021

Corpral_Agarn said:
I'd like to see aiwb be allowed.

If you watch videos from the old days of practical shooting, you see a lot of holsters on belts (outside the waistband) in that same position

Not IWB with no manual safety, or very few, I wager.

Corpral_Agarn · Dec 15, 2021

1KPerDay said:
Not IWB with no manual safety, or very few, I wager.

Correct, just an observation.

waktasz · Dec 16, 2021

Jim Watson said:
Maybe. It hasn't put the "practical" back in USPSA, though.

Skills are practical. Shooting fast while moving is practical. IDPA is much further from useful in the real world than USPSA.

jmorris · Dec 18, 2021

Corpral_Agarn said:
If you watch videos from the old days of practical shooting, you see a lot of holsters on belts (outside the waistband) in that same position

Old school, now your talking. I’ll have to dig out my open trigger cross draw rig.

NWcityguy2 · Jan 7, 2022

Is the poll still up? I need to go vote against IWB.

Edit: Poll closed 12-31-21

IDPA Bellybutton Holster Survey

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