One could easily enough argue that the "middle" is capable of doing just about everything the rest of those calibers do, combined.
Uh huh, wish I had a quarter for all the "ifs" in a 30-30 discussion. 30-30 the first and more powerful and more useful 300 Black out.I don't understand the all the hate for the venerable 30-30. It is what it is: light recoiling, plenty for dear sized game, and actually quite accurate when fired from a gun capable being so. Especially so if pointed bullets can be accommodated. Of course there are more potent cartridges nowadays, but I'll save my disdain for the new ones that don't do anything substantively better than the old ones. Then again I forget that at the 30-30's power level, if it doesn't fit in an AR, it can't be any good. Forget I said anything.
Yeah someguy2800, but do you "hate" it?
Yeah someguy2800, but do you "hate" it?
"I don't understand" the overuse of the word "hate," or for that matter, the overuse of the word "haters." This thread is titled "Least favorite rifles/cartridges you've owned." In my post, I stated what I don't like about the Ruger "Mini-30" rifle and the Marlin 444 rifle. I didn't say I "hated" either one of them, I just stated what I didn't like about them due to my own experiences with them.
And as far as the 30-30 goes, I have one, and it will probably belong to one of my grandkids or great grandkids one of these days - because I see no reason to dispose of it even though I don't use it.
The year (which I don't remember) when Winchester changed their Model 94s from "top eject" to "angle eject," I went to a local gun shop and bought a "top eject" model because I'd always wanted a Model 94, and knew I'd never have a chance to buy a new "top eject" one again.
That Model 94 happens to be a 30-30. I would be just as happy with it if it was a 32 Special, but no happier. A couple of years after I bought it, unlike nowadays, Idaho had an abundance of mule deer, and we were allowed to kill two of them. So, after I had my first deer in the freezer that year, I took my still-new Model 94, 30-30 out and used it to kill a second mule deer.
The 30-30 worked just like I expected it would - I shot a good sized doe in the ribs at about 35 yards, she "humped up" and took off running downhill. After about 50 yards, she piled up in a heap.
After I got home, I cleaned the 30-30 and put it in the safe. I can't remember using it since, but I don't see how that translates to "hate." I just prefer using scoped rifles that are chambered for more powerful, and flatter shooting cartridges - because the chances of even getting an Idaho mule deer these days are only 1 in 3. Besides, 250 yard shots are not at all uncommon in the areas where we hunt now.
BTW, my wife bought a like-new, "top eject" Model 94, 32 Special 15 or 20 years back. It's a beauty, and with its William's "peep sight," it's fairly accurate. However, my wife doesn't use her Model 94, 32 Special for anything other than occasional plinking or showing off - she has a couple of 7mm-08s and a 7mm Rem Mag for big game hunting. I just don't see how my wife's "fondness" for various 7mms translates to "hate" for 32s either.
Yeah someguy2800, but do you "hate" it?
"I don't understand" the overuse of the word "hate," or for that matter, the overuse of the word "haters." This thread is titled "Least favorite rifles/cartridges you've owned." In my post, I stated what I don't like about the Ruger "Mini-30" rifle and the Marlin 444 rifle. I didn't say I "hated" either one of them, I just stated what I didn't like about them due to my own experiences with them.
And as far as the 30-30 goes, I have one, and it will probably belong to one of my grandkids or great grandkids one of these days - because I see no reason to dispose of it even though I don't use it.
The year (which I don't remember) when Winchester changed their Model 94s from "top eject" to "angle eject," I went to a local gun shop and bought a "top eject" model because I'd always wanted a Model 94, and knew I'd never have a chance to buy a new "top eject" one again.
That Model 94 happens to be a 30-30. I would be just as happy with it if it was a 32 Special, but no happier. A couple of years after I bought it, unlike nowadays, Idaho had an abundance of mule deer, and we were allowed to kill two of them. So, after I had my first deer in the freezer that year, I took my still-new Model 94, 30-30 out and used it to kill a second mule deer.
The 30-30 worked just like I expected it would - I shot a good sized doe in the ribs at about 35 yards, she "humped up" and took off running downhill. After about 50 yards, she piled up in a heap.
After I got home, I cleaned the 30-30 and put it in the safe. I can't remember using it since, but I don't see how that translates to "hate." I just prefer using scoped rifles that are chambered for more powerful, and flatter shooting cartridges - because the chances of even getting an Idaho mule deer these days are only 1 in 3. Besides, 250 yard shots are not at all uncommon in the areas where we hunt now.
BTW, my wife bought a like-new, "top eject" Model 94, 32 Special 15 or 20 years back. It's a beauty, and with its William's "peep sight," it's fairly accurate. However, my wife doesn't use her Model 94, 32 Special for anything other than occasional plinking or showing off - she has a couple of 7mm-08s and a 7mm Rem Mag for big game hunting. I just don't see how my wife's "fondness" for various 7mms translates to "hate" for 32s either.
