Inch group at 50 yards. Good or substandard?

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The build is a 16" steel bull barrel, Volquartsen trigger, scope, CCI Standard Velocity. Averaging a 1 inch group at 50 yards.

I don't consider that to be very good for the build.
 
Not awesome, by any means, but also not awful.

Make sure everything is tight, then try some other loadings; .22LR guns can be picky.

Is the barrel free-floated? If so, you might get better results by putting an adhesive felt furniture pad in the barrel channel right at the front of the stock so that it puts a bit of upward pressure on the barrel. Sometimes .22LR rifles like that better than free-floating. You can easily remove if it doesn't give better results.
 
That's 2 MOA. Acceptable for a standard out of the box 22 shooting decent ammo. But I'd want better than that with a custom rifle. It may just need more time to break in the barrel or a different ammo, so I'd not give up yet.
 
JohnKSa,...yes, it is a free float stock. As for ammo, I have a metric butt ton of CCI Standard Velocity....and the rest are basic non-match type stuff. Nothing that could be considered remotely match ammo, so I figured the Standard Velocity is my best choice.

chicharrones, it is a 10/22.

The barrel is fairly old. Clerke. Supposed to have the Bentz chamber.

Crazy thing is that I can get shots into an 1 1/2" circle with my other 10/22 [clone] using a basic barrel and CCI Velocitors at the same distance.
 
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Average, best, or worst?

What’s your capability with other rifles? Do you often shoot well at 50yrds (for example, I don’t, so it’s not so uncommon for my 100 and even 200yrd groups to have less dispersion than my 50yrd groups)?

If it’s printing reliably .8-1.2” groups at 50 yards, not fliers, not flukes, well supported, skilled shooter, best performance among multiple ammunition options tested, free floated barrel. Properly torqued V block… eh, I’m not happy with it. I don’t recall any of the factory 10/22T’s my wife or I have owned shooting that poorly, let alone custom barrels.
 
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I’d look at it this way.....

I’ve got a CZ 453 Varminter that shoots less than 1/2 that with Wolf Match Extra. I’m an OK shooter, but certainly not competition level by any stretch. Some years back my rifle was +/- $450 IIRC. I’d be less than ecstatic if I paid more than the $450 and got groups twice the size.

I’ve never understood the fascination of spending $1,000-$1,500 on a 10/22 to try to shoot as well as a CZ out of the box that’s 1/2 the price. But, it’s your money. Do as you please
 
Check you scope mounts. Also is the trigger decent? Also make sure the barrel is tight as well as stock screws torqued correctelly
 
Average, best, or worst?

What’s your capability with other rifles? Do you often shoot well at 50yrds (for example, I don’t, so it’s not so uncommon for my 100 and even 200yrd groups to have less dispersion than my 50yrd groups)?

If it’s printing reliably .8-1.2” groups at 100, not fliers, not flukes, well supported, skilled shooter, best performance among multiple ammunition options tested, free floated barrel. Properly torqued V block… eh, I’m not happy with it. I don’t recall any of the factory 10/22T’s my wife or I have owned shooting that poorly, let alone custom barrels.

If you have any factory 10/22T's that shoot 1" groups at 100 that your disappointed in I will take them off your hands.
 
1-inch is sub-standard ... if you're talking about out-of-da-box factory .22 rifles.

One of my CZ 452 bolts (untuned) put a 5-shot group into .333" @ 50-yds, and that was with standard Winchester Power-Pts, not the uber-Match ammo.
 
See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ding-system-ruger-10-22.788186/#post-10024248

1. Cut out a 1/2-3/4" piece of thin* bicycle inner tube and place it as a shim under the barrel at the end of the forearm.
2. Make sure the receiver is centered in the stock recess -- not up against either the forward stop or the rearward stop. Centered.
3. Tighten the stock screw to no more than 15-18 inch-lbs. No more as it will otherwise warp the aluminum receiver.

*High-pressure roadbike tube. Not heavy-duty mountain bike

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With a good barrel, good trigger, proper bedding and a good scope I'd expect half that with decent ammo. I had a Ruger 10-22 Target that wouldn't beat an inch by much. My CZ455 will do 3/8-1/2" with Eley Club. My TC Contenders, carbine and pistol will also.
My latest 10-22, an old standard receiver, Shaw barrel, Ruger laminated stock, and Kidd trigger will do 1/2" or better worth the Eley. The Contender carbine has surprised me with 1/2" at 50 fairly often with CCI mini mag hollow points. 4X TC scope.
 
As for ammo, I have a metric butt ton of CCI Standard Velocity....and the rest are basic non-match type stuff. Nothing that could be considered remotely match ammo, so I figured the Standard Velocity is my best choice.
I understand where you're coming from, but if you want match accuracy you will probably have to shoot match ammunition. Just poking around online and looking at CC SV results at 50 yards--it looks like it often shoots about 1" at 50 yards, even from really accurate guns.

That doesn't mean it can't shoot really tight groups. You might get a gun that really likes it and does well with it. Or you might get an occasional group that's really nice. But I think that for the most part if you want really tiny groups, you'll be better off with ammo that's designed to provide that result.
 
I’d look at it this way.....

I’ve got a CZ 453 Varminter that shoots less than 1/2 that with Wolf Match Extra. I’m an OK shooter, but certainly not competition level by any stretch. Some years back my rifle was +/- $450 IIRC. I’d be less than ecstatic if I paid more than the $450 and got groups twice the size.

I’ve never understood the fascination of spending $1,000-$1,500 on a 10/22 to try to shoot as well as a CZ out of the box that’s 1/2 the price. But, it’s your money. Do as you please

Well,....the last part here is actually some pretty sage. I'm not willing to spend a bunch on a "really accurate bench rifle",.....so maybe what I'm getting isn't too bad, considering!
 
I understand where you're coming from, but if you want match accuracy you will probably have to shoot match ammunition. Just poking around online and looking at CC SV results at 50 yards--it looks like it often shoots about 1" at 50 yards, even from really accurate guns.

That doesn't mean it can't shoot really tight groups. You might get a gun that really likes it and does well with it. Or you might get an occasional group that's really nice. But I think that for the most part if you want really tiny groups, you'll be better off with ammo that's designed to provide that result.

Sound like I'm probably getting the most out of the CCI SV. Thanks for the comments!
 
Not a .22 expert, but from what I've been reading... a .22 is more ammo sensitive than your basic centerfire rifle.
Try different rounds. Just getting into the .22 world myself, so I'll be doing the same thing with my 77/22.
Not a bad start though, That's about where I'm at with a factory gun, and bulk ammo. Picked up some Eley but haven't tried it yet. That crap is pricey...
 
It is not always the price of the ammunition which makes the difference. Try as many as you can in order to find which ones your rifle prefers. Twenty-two rifles are ammo selective and it is also part of the fun.
 
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