Step 5--- criminals will still be able to use them and then someone will go out and commit a mass shooting with one of these guns as easy as the VT shooter did.
Step 6--- Crying and moaning that "we must do something now". lol
Smart Glock-style guns that can only be fire by a verified user... available in the US this year
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Step 6--- Crying and moaning that "we must do something now". lol
bassjam
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I do, with every vote I can cast supporting candidates with positions that align with mine. With 43,000,000 inhabitants, any ripple I make isn’t much in such a sea. But I try.
And, sorry, but the “your logic” sarcasm you’re offhandedly tossing out to paint me with is really rather pathetic.
My statement of warning is merely a simple one on this topic; don’t think for a moment that, “It won’t happen here” when crazy gun restrictions are passed in your State capitol. This electronic gun idiocy is exactly what Ca, Mass, NJ, etc. are waiting for to slam the door on tomorrow’s gun buyers.
You may think people are crying, “The sky is falling” because it may be a “free state” where you live at home, but it probably will not stay quite so crimson as rapid demographic shifts occur. Like most States, Ca is mostly rural but is ruled by blue population centers. Draconian restrictions have already happened here, and those who plot to carve up or completely eliminate the 2A rights of you and of future generations are working every single day to bring it there, too.
But, as an American, you’re free to think as you wish. Let us all carry on.
Stay safe.
I'm not trying to paint you as anything, but this really is silly logic. If we let it happen, the government can do anything, so why focus hate on only "smart guns"? Let's put a pistol grip, bayonet lug, and flash hider on EVERY lever action and bolt action, because if we don't the politicians will ban AR15's with those features! We should only buy handguns with Glock style safeties, because if we don't the government will mandate all handguns have external safeties! We should leave our weapons loaded and in the corner of the room, because if we don't fight that now the government will force us to have every firearm in the house unloaded and locked up!
Technology in and of itself is not bad, and we shouldn't prevent GOOD technology from coming along, even if we aren't interested in it for ourselves. Other's might find it useful, and simply the potential for the government to misuse that technology isn't enough justification to try to stop it. As a gun community we shouldn't be trying to snuff out firearms that are intended to be more safe. We are a capitalist country, let's let the market decide if this is a good thing or not.
bassjam
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Yes, that's my point exactly! A government can deem ANY gun or feature "illegal". Picking on only smart guns isn't justified.
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I believe the “hate” comes from people who have played checkers or chess, that can see a couple moves ahead and see .gov mandates taking away our freedoms. That’s the part I assume they don’t like, having things forced upon you “for your own good” because you are stupid and we are smart. Oh, by the way, they will exempt themselves…and probably throw in a “it’s for the children” and a “common sense”.
Wouldn’t be the first time, or the 100th for that matter.
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entropy
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Well, so far the record of gun with electrical devices involved in the firing mechanism (Excepting the M134 and Mini-gun, which use AC power, not batteries) is 0 for 3. (Rem., CVA, Pardini)
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ppened-to-remington-electronic-firing.625018/
Oxide puts forth a well thought-out opinion on the subject;
rcmodel put it more succinctly -as he usually did:
When I want a gun to work-I want it to work. A red dot not coming on when I need it is annoying, but not a tragedy. I can use the tube as a ghost sight close in, or pop the BUIS up if a farther shot, when there is more time. An electronic trigger failing is far more likely that a mechanical one doing so at the moment of truth.
How many of you (like me) have had to try the fingerprint sensor on your phone more than once, or had a lag before it worked?
Even the far more reliable Mag-Na-Trigger was merely a passing fad amongst LE in the late 60's.
Riomouse911
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Indeed, this is the exact point I’ve tried to make.
Until you’ve seen the intentions of those who press for this particular device to be mainstreamed, then you don’t get the slope you’re now standing on.
The intentions are to make the guns bassjam (and every other gun owner) currently owns illegal because they’re no longer “safe”.
If you don’t believe that, fine. When it happens, you were warned so don’t complain.
Stay safe.
AlexanderA
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Just to clarify -- the antigunners are not "the government," at least not yet. The government is divided, and so far, federally and in most states, the antigunners have not been able to get most of the things on their wish list.
It's very plausible that "the government" could end up in the hands of the pro-gunners. And at root it's not even a liberal-conservative thing. Even the liberals are arming themselves like crazy.
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I must admit to not being opposed to “electronic triggers” altogether.
That’s just for recreation though. I was trying to think of an electronic device that is more reliable than a mechanical trigger but I gave up.
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because it’s not the simple due to anti gun groups and bad politicians if one of these were to be available for sale in the US it would trigger all kinds of stuff. For instance you would screw over everyone in the state of NJ for example.
plus they just tend to not work
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Neo-Luddite
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Like those compact .357s that S & W makes w/o the integral lock as the intended customer base HATES them!
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Minor problem of there being, like as not, more firearms than Americans. Which raises the spectre of a major "takings" issue mooting the point entire.
The other problem would be compliance. The Canadians have noticed that only about 2% of the firearms recently made "illegal" in Canada have been turned in. When you try to ban things that are virtually behind every blade of grass, you are going to just spin your wheels. Especially in the those remote place that are far beyond reach of nit-picking enforcement. Whic his going to be near 2000 of the 3000 "counties" in the US.
You forgot that the "approved citizen" will need to post a $500K cash bond, too (we can't have "poors" with arms, can we). And the capacity choice will be 1, 2, or 3.
Actually, Suisse is more like the NC and GA where you go to the County Sheriff (Canton Police) fill in a form and give them $25 (±Sƒ 28 IIRC) and they hand/mail you the permit in a day or two. Switzerland, like Czechia & Slovakia and Poland are pretty reasonable about this. In being not much more complicated than getting a CHL (if, generally, not being able to conceal carry).
The fundamental problem with biometrics is that they are rooted in biology, which is not necessarily fixed. The use of PINs is subject to all manner of failings, and virtually all of us are now more than aware of those issues. Ok, so, we, just now, lat year or so, have reasonably good fingerprint scanners for phones. They can still be duped with clear tape and a lifted ink fingerprint (some are "gestrual" too, the motion you use for the "swipe" matters). But, not technology you can rely upon.
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Anyone who has ever had actual experience with any biometric security device would never bet his/her life on the technology.
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Yeh.
Only overpriced H und K owners here.
No teutonic god pistols for the poors
They can have Glocks if they want
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Jim Watson
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Our Glorious Leaders don't care. They don't expect surrender and they don't plan door to door searches.
But they will have a prima facie criminal case against a lot of people they might not be able to get another charge to stick to. They might charge you with racist mopery dopery and not get it past a jury, but Man With A Gun is obvious to all.
FAS1
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While we agree the average Millennial or younger has no issue with unreliable tech. In my line of business I see it every day. What do you think are the best selling models of handgun safes? Lets say the top ten. Do you think any of them use a mechanical lock? They are easily sold on gadgetry and can't even comprehend what real reliable security is. They don't understand the consequences if it fails in the moment of need.
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And none of them have actually tried to open their safes quickly, with sweaty, shaky hands. Biometric locks SUCK IME
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I wish there was such a thing as a fulll-size safe with a mechanical pushbutton lock and other safety features like on your models or the Fort Knox ones.
Would the owner of such a gun be able to sue the manufacturer if the biometric fails?
wally
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As if you never need to shoot a gun with gloves on!
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No, govt will give the mfrs immunity, just like with the covid vaccines.
....not....ummm....now? The last year? Yes? Yes. Let's review here...
House of Rep is...?
Senate is majority...?
POTUS is...? Well, we'll leave that question mark as, well. Ok
And SCOTUS = a 8-12 yr wait, do you have that extra $250K large
at the ready. Better yet, give ME $3K, I'll look at it, tell U you gotta no case in 6 months
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Sure. Anyone can sue anybody over anything. This is America, after all.
Even if you can win a lawsuit it doesnt matter when they can just print money.
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