Cheaper to buy Factory Ammo??

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What? Not everybody on this forum is retired with kids long gone from the house. Do you work a 40+ hour per week professional career with kids in multiple non-school activities, plus assisting in the care of an elderly parent with cancer?

When I get to carve out some range and training time, "losing" $$$ by not reloading common range ammo is the least of my concerns.
Sounds like under your circumstances owning a gun is just too expensive. Have you considered selling everything firearms related to pay for cancer treatments and/or another soccer camp? It's the only reasonable thing to do under your circumstances.

For me, the time spent loading is a debit, not a credit. That time pays well, with dividends.

See? It al depends on your individual circumstances. :)
 
Sounds like under your circumstances owning a gun is just too expensive. Have you considered selling everything firearms related to pay for cancer treatments and/or another soccer camp? It's the only reasonable thing to do under your circumstances.

For me, the time spent loading is a debit, not a credit. That time pays well, with dividends.

See? It al depends on your individual circumstances. :)

Laughing at the concept of "a gun"...

But seriously, what got my hackles up was the expression that reloading was only taking away from valuable television watching time.
 
Fair enough, and my guess is that your are retired. Bulk reloading is only viable if you have no time commitments that require your attention.
I work a 40-50 hour week, have a 1-hour commute (in good traffic) and spend at least half-an-hour each morning and again each afternoon walking from the parking garage to my office building. During the day I'm in a concrete building with no windows, no fresh air, sitting at a computer. I get paid fairly well for what I do but, to me, handloading is pure enjoyment, especially when I can work outside in good weather.

Trying to throw massive blankets over the entire community to mirror your prejudices is ugly. Just plain ugly.
 
I work a 40-50 hour week, have a 1-hour commute (in good traffic) and spend at least half-an-hour each morning and again each afternoon walking from the parking garage to my office building. During the day I'm in a concrete building with no windows, no fresh air, sitting at a computer. I get paid fairly well for what I do but, to me, handloading is pure enjoyment, especially when I can work outside in good weather.

Trying to throw massive blankets over the entire community to mirror your prejudices is ugly. Just plain ugly.

See post #102.
 
What? Not everybody on this forum is retired with kids long gone from the house. Do you work a 40+ hour per week professional career with kids in multiple non-school activities, plus assisting in the care of an elderly parent with cancer?

When I get to carve out some range and training time, "losing" $$$ by not reloading common range ammo is the least of my concerns.
Please don’t take my arguments about time as insensitivity with your personal situation. I know all too well the emotional toll that having a loved one with cancer can have on a person. The day before my father died of pancreatic cancer, my wife told me she had breast cancer. That never ending worry and knowing that there is nothing you can do to make it better beats you down like nothing else in this world. In my case, I never reloaded a cartridge, fired a single round, or even picked up a gun for over a year. Now that my wife has recovered I’ve just started back into loading and shooting, but it doesn’t hold the same luster that it once did. I hope that your parent recovers and doesn’t suffer from this awful disease.
 
Please don’t take my arguments about time as insensitivity with your personal situation. I know all too well the emotional toll that having a loved one with cancer can have on a person. The day before my father died of pancreatic cancer, my wife told me she had breast cancer. That never ending worry and knowing that there is nothing you can do to make it better beats you down like nothing else in this world. In my case, I never reloaded a cartridge, fired a single round, or even picked up a gun for over a year. Now that my wife has recovered I’ve just started back into loading and shooting, but it doesn’t hold the same luster that it once did. I hope that your parent recovers and doesn’t suffer from this awful disease.
I’m happy your wife is well and back to living life!

2022 will be an AMAZING YEAR!
 
I buy a lot of factory ammunition because I value my time. I would rather not shoot than spend my precious hours slaving away at the reloading press to try and save a few pennies.

I reload as a hobby. Just like I do other things as hobbies. I believe you would find that most people in this area of the forum enjoy the "hobby" and don't consider it "slaving away". I also believe that most everyone else on this forum values their time as well. We all make choices in what we want to do with that time and what brings us joy.
 
I got 22lr adapters for my 556 & 9mm for cheap shooting. Targets don't know the difference & it is no less fun.
Sounds like a decent idea. But it won't work for me. All the firearms I have for .22 caliber are already adapted to .22 long rifle - from birth. Except for a .22 Hornet' which would be quite difficult. All most all the other arms I own, if adaptable to a smaller cartridge the smaller cartridge would be a centerfire as well. Expensive. Hypothetically .25 ACP in a .257 Roberts. (I don't think that adapter is made.)

Some years ago - early 1960s I think - some entity made an adapter to fire .32 ACP from a .30-06. Correction, it seems to have ended production in the early 1960s.
Great idea. Too bad it doesn't work anymore.
 
I don’t know guys, If these prices keep dropping, it might be cheaper to buy factory practice ammo and only load the special stuff. Hear me out and look at my math

unobtainable primers current market cost $100-ish per 1,000

FMJ 115 gn bullet, not plated, $100

powder, 5gn / 7,000gn = 1,400 or 2/3 of a bottle of powder. $20-ish

new factory 9mm brass = $100

$100 + $100 + $20 + $100 = $320

Natchi is selling a case of new 9mm 115 fmj for $360 / 1,000 shipped! if it gets any cheaper, Buy Factory AMMO??? what you folks think?

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Of course if you want to compare the cost of reloading the most widely used (and cheapest) cartridge in the world, then you should purchase what you can.

But, the world is not made up of 9mm shooters and you should consider this in your posting. If you're reloading something uncommon or something like 5.7mm Johnson, that costs more than $1 per round (assuming you can find it for sale at all), then reloading not only makes sense, it is your only way forward.
 
Sounds like a decent idea. But it won't work for me. All the firearms I have for .22 caliber are already adapted to .22 long rifle - from birth. Except for a .22 Hornet' which would be quite difficult. All most all the other arms I own, if adaptable to a smaller cartridge the smaller cartridge would be a centerfire as well. Expensive. Hypothetically .25 ACP in a .257 Roberts. (I don't think that adapter is made.)

Some years ago - early 1960s I think - some entity made an adapter to fire .32 ACP from a .30-06. Correction, it seems to have ended production in the early 1960s.
Great idea. Too bad it doesn't work anymore.
Checkout a Peterson device. It made an 03 Springfield fire a 32 auto.
 
If you knew in advance how much reloading would cost you over the next 20 years, do you think you’d still do it?” (Note I didn’t say “spend” I said “cost.”)

$77,025.18. That’s the number. That’s your 20 year cost. Write the check now.

If you spent $1200/year on reloading over the next 20 years = loss of $24,000.

If instead you invested that same amount over the same period in an S&P 500 Index ETF = gain of $53,025.18.

$24,000 (avoided loss) + $53,025.18 = $77,025.18

I used a compound interest calculator at MoneyChimp, started with $100 and added $1200 total annual for 20 years. Used 7% as the interest rate (which is the average after tax, after inflation, divided reinvested annual gain for the S&P 500.).

Sure, this ignores the fun factor, the hobby factor, the therapeutic value, the cost of factory ammo because you’re going to shoot anyhow factor. But it also ignores the fact that most of us spend way more than $1200/year.
 
I reload as a hobby. Just like I do other things as hobbies. I believe you would find that most people in this area of the forum enjoy the "hobby" and don't consider it "slaving away". I also believe that most everyone else on this forum values their time as well. We all make choices in what we want to do with that time and what brings us joy.


All I'm saying is that there is more to the value equation than component cost. If you enjoy it, that adds value. If you don't, there should be no shame in just buying your ammunition and shooting less.

Obviously most everyone in the reloading forum enjoys reloading. But people also come here to try and figure out if they should reload. I like to present the opposite viewpoint.

If you like your reloading press, you can keep your reloading press.
 
If you knew in advance how much reloading would cost you over the next 20 years, do you think you’d still do it?” (Note I didn’t say “spend” I said “cost.”)

$77,025.18. That’s the number. That’s your 20 year cost. Write the check now.

If you spent $1200/year on reloading over the next 20 years = loss of $24,000.

If instead you invested that same amount over the same period in an S&P 500 Index ETF = gain of $53,025.18.

$24,000 (avoided loss) + $53,025.18 = $77,025.18

I used a compound interest calculator at MoneyChimp, started with $100 and added $1200 total annual for 20 years. Used 7% as the interest rate (which is the average after tax, after inflation, divided reinvested annual gain for the S&P 500.).

Sure, this ignores the fun factor, the hobby factor, the therapeutic value, the cost of factory ammo because you’re going to shoot anyhow factor. But it also ignores the fact that most of us spend way more than $1200/year.
I don't get your point. Are you saying we should never spend money outside of basic goods, and always invest any thing above that? If so, I've known those kinds of people. They died rich, but unhappy.

I have been lucky enough to be able to invest quite a bit in the market and have a lot of fun along the way. You can't take it with you though.
 
If you knew in advance how much reloading would cost you over the next 20 years, do you think you’d still do it?” (Note I didn’t say “spend” I said “cost.”)

$77,025.18. That’s the number. That’s your 20 year cost. Write the check now.

If you spent $1200/year on reloading over the next 20 years = loss of $24,000.

If instead you invested that same amount over the same period in an S&P 500 Index ETF = gain of $53,025.18.

$24,000 (avoided loss) + $53,025.18 = $77,025.18

I used a compound interest calculator at MoneyChimp, started with $100 and added $1200 total annual for 20 years. Used 7% as the interest rate (which is the average after tax, after inflation, divided reinvested annual gain for the S&P 500.).

Sure, this ignores the fun factor, the hobby factor, the therapeutic value, the cost of factory ammo because you’re going to shoot anyhow factor. But it also ignores the fact that most of us spend way more than $1200/year.
I have a motorcycle and a boat, reloading is my least expensive hobby. :thumbup:
Maybe I should tell my wife to invest her manicure and pedicure money. :what:
 
I don't get your point. Are you saying we should never spend money outside of basic goods, and always invest any thing above that? If so, I've known those kinds of people. They died rich, but unhappy.

I have been lucky enough to be able to invest quite a bit in the market and have a lot of fun along the way. You can't take it with you though.
My point is stated clearly, no? Would you…It’s a simple Q. Not should you or shouldn’t you, just would you?
 
I don't drink coffee, so no.

Well... life isn't over yet! There is always tomorrow! ;) Coffee is the source, I swear... it'll change your life.

Among my hobbies... coffee drinking is on the list. Some people drink bourbon, some wine, some wheat grass... or whatever... I drink coffee.

In all seriousness, many of you are talking in absolutes. If you look at the absolute figures, because (true) numbers don't lie, reloading typically wins, hands down, but there are always other aspects to consider, including each persons individual circumstance and desire.
 
Well... life isn't over yet! There is always tomorrow! ;) Coffee is the source, I swear... it'll change your life.

Among my hobbies... coffee drinking is on the list. Some people drink bourbon, some wine, some wheat grass... or whatever... I drink coffee.

In all seriousness, many of you are talking in absolutes. If you look at the absolute figures, because (true) numbers don't lie, reloading typically wins, hands down, but there are always other aspects to consider, including each persons individual circumstance and desire.
Me too (three cups/day) and before the pandemic, an additional two per week Starbucks Triple Vente Lattes w/three raw sugars. Never any spirits, wine and beer infrequently, but I’m curious what is “wheat grass?”
 
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