should I do it?

Walkalong said:

Ok, what is an RAR and a RPR?

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Rar, ruger american rimfire
Rpr, ruger Precision rifle.

RAR and RPR can also be used for the Ruger American Ranch, and Ruger Precision Rimfire...... really depends on the context of the conversation.
In this specific instance i was using RPR in relation to the Rimfire version.....which ol' Spats currently lacks, a situation which needs to be rectified!

And we wonder why newbs and non-gun folks are always confused LOL!

When it comes to rimfires you can never have too many. I just picked up another today, a Norinco copy of the Browning SA-22, after gifting an old Mossberg bolt action to a friend in need.

Unless you live in the sticks, somewhere nearby there’s an affordable, reasonably accurate rifle just waiting on you. Which action type to chose??? Why a dozen of each! After many years of buying them there’s not 1 rimfire I regret owning.

$260 OTD from a private collector at a gun show.


If your 10/22 won’t cycle SV ammo you can always lighten the bolt to reduce mass, giving it a better chance. Mine does just fine with standard velocity and almost cycles Quiet.


Once you’ve polished this (10/22 bolt)...


Take a belt sander to this (where my thumbnail is pointing) and round off the heel a bit. You can take off more, there’s plenty extra there.

Semi-auto rimfires are blow back actions. I have to ask, what is the source of power that blows the action back. Think about it a minute?

doubleh said:

Semi-auto rimfires are blow back actions. I have to ask, what is the source of power that blows the action back. Think about it a minute?

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Why does this feel like a trick question.........

Skylerbone said:

When it comes to rimfires you can never have too many. I just picked up another today, a Norinco copy of the Browning SA-22,

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I paid $99.83 for a brand new one-thirty years ago . They aren't Brownings but they're great little, well-made rifles. In terms of value for money spent, I don't think any other firearm ever came close.

SwampWolf said:

I paid $99.83 for a brand new one-thirty years ago . They aren't Brownings but they're great little, well-made rifles. In terms of value for money spent, I don't think any other firearm ever came close.

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I wish they’d lift the ban on them, I’d buy a half dozen the first day. Seldom see them come through these parts.

I neglected to post a pic of my own 10/22, this one is a walnut Sporter bought on clearance 2 or 3 years ago for $249. Ex said she didn’t want it, lucky me!

My first rimfire rifle is a basic 10/22, pretty much still stock after all this time (40+ years). Only additions are Uncle Mike's sling swivels and a Weaver K2.5 scope. Had to get a scope because this rifle was so much more accurate than I could shoot with the iron sights. Favorite ammo is Wolf Match Target followed very closely by CCI MiniMags and CCI SV.


If I were in the market for a bolt action .22 a Ruger RAR Wood Stock model would be my first choice. Second choice would be a CZ Model 457 Training Rifle.

Sorry, no pics but my favorite 10/22 iteration is a s/s one with a checkered walnut, Mannlicher stock (Talo, International RBI W). I have a Williams peep sight (WGRS-RU-22) mounted on it. This little carbine is my second favorite .22 (a Marlin Model 39 with a Williams 5D receiver sight will probably always be my "very" favorite).

We have six 10-22s in the house, I buy one every time I find something a bit different.
Picked this one up a few weeks ago just because I liked the camo

I've had several 10/22 rifles, notice HAD.
Ihave atleast 30 - 22lr rifles. My favorite 22lr rifle is the old mossbergs. I have a few marlin rifles that shoot great. Most 22lr rifles will shoot better then the person shooting them..

OP, you did well not to bite. As for the bolt action you will be looking for, I went with a CZ 457 Varmint which happens to be threaded (suppressors forbidden here) and I like it, but many other suggestions here seem to make sense. I am curious about the Ruger Precision Rimfire. I guess it should shoot straight, but I wonder if the action is as pleasurable as the CZ's.

doubleh said:

Semi-auto rimfires are blow back actions. I have to ask, what is the source of power that blows the action back. Think about it a minute?

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Newton's third law

Exactly but what creates the force that causes the reaction is what I was referring to.

doubleh said:

Exactly but what creates the force that causes the reaction is what I was referring to.

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In a blowback action, the energy of the projectile moving the opposite direction causes equal energy to be transmitted through the casing to the breech face. The additional mass of the bolt and the tension of the recoil spring cause the bolt to react at a slower velocity than the projectile which is why under typical conditions the projectile will exit the barrel prior to the movement of the bolt and opening the breech.

In a delayed blowback, there are sometimes other "delay" devices such as rollers under tension that place additional friction on the bolt that result in the need for additional force to open the breech and thus delaying the opening of the bolt. This is required for higher energy cartridges so that the breech may remain closed until the projectile exits the barrel. You definitely don't want the breech to open prior to the projectile leaving the barrel, otherwise you will get a face full of gas, carbon and unburnt/burning powder.

What I was getting at in a round about way is that gas operates the blow back action. Although it is much simpler in operation than a "gas" operated action without gas there would be no blow back. I understand the reason for the different nomenclature but in the end gas works the action in both.

doubleh said:

What I was getting at in a round about way is that gas operates the blow back action. Although it is much simpler in operation than a "gas" operated action without gas there would be no blow back. I understand the reason for the different nomenclature but in the end gas works the action in both.

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I'm having trouble understanding the conclusion you intend for us to draw from the fact that blowback also has a gas component to it? They are two distinct actions that have significantly different attributes. Blowback uses reciprocal energy from the gasses and projectile, traveling in the opposite direction on the same axis, to force open an unlocked breech and operate the bolt. Gas operated doesn't rely upon reciprocal energy on the same axis, it utilizes the force of expanding gasses vented into a chamber, mobilizing a piston, to both unlock the breech and operate the bolt carrier. I mean, all (most?) small arms actions have a bolt too, but that doesn't make them all bolt action.

The point being made by those talking about the blowback action, and it's lack of affect on accuracy, is that a blowback action does not vent gasses until the projectile has left the barrel, thus not creating the potential velocity change due to variations in gas venting. A gas operated action does have the potential to affect velocity due to gas venting prior to the projectile leaving the barrel (albeit a minor and overblown variation).

Don't overthink this. It's simple. Both types of actions are operated with gas pressure and that is what I was pointing out after the "10/22 is a blow back action" statement. I know the difference in the way the two work and don't need lectures about their differences but the fact remains that without gas pressure neither will do anything.

doubleh said:

Don't overthink this. It's simple. Both types of actions are operated with gas pressure and that is what I was pointing out after the "10/22 is a blow back action" statement. I know the difference in the way the two work and don't need lectures about their differences but the fact remains that without gas pressure neither will do anything.

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I'm simply trying to understand what you are getting at with the question, since you admittedly already knew the answer, it sounds like there was a purpose in asking the question. Yes, it is a blowback action, and blowback actions are affected by gas like every small arms firearm actions. I guess I'm just missing the point.

doubleh said:

Don't overthink this. It's simple. Both types of actions are operated with gas pressure and that is what I was pointing out after the "10/22 is a blow back action" statement. I know the difference in the way the two work and don't need lectures about their differences but the fact remains that without gas pressure neither will do anything.

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I think what people took issue with was not the use of the terminology but rather the idea that in the case of a blowback .22 velocity would be lost. It is not, nor was that your contention but someone insinuated and that’s what was addressed.

If the 10/22 lacks for one really cool feature it would, IMO, be a bolt lock similar to the old Gill Guns. Semi-auto that can be made single-shot for very quiet operation.

If the 10/22 packs for one really cool feature it would, IMO, be a bolt lock similar to the old Gill Guns. Semi-auto that can be made single-shot for very quiet operation.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that and it would be very easy to do if the receiver was made of steel. When you do that some would complain about the few ounces of added weigh. It would probably cost more too and many more would complain about that and sales would drop so it's a no go from the get go.

A gill gun was my very first gun, a Christmas present when I was 11 years old. I love that old rifle.

I am done with the gas thing as it went over too many heads.