An interesting Offer of ammunition to the Ukraine

I think this a great thing to do. However, the thing about donations that any company makes, such as to cancer research, disabled veterans, save the whales, etc is that the company gets the glory, but the costs are simply passed on to the consumer. I am amazed at how the public eats this up with a spoon.

FWIW Their investor relations page shows they've done 5 press releases on the matter in the last week.

I hope it all works out for them, but why would they need to "gear up"? They produce ammo. That's what the company does...

While its a great offer it sounds more like a marketing ploy to me.

they will have the same problem making ammo as all the rest of the ammo manufacturers have, primers.

also this may make Ukraine happy but American shooters who may be future customers, may not be happy with them since they are scrounging around for any ammo too.

I fear if Putin's ground forces start loosing too heavily, he will just resort to the nuclear option... I think he would rather destroy everything, than accept a defeat. Scary times, hopefully I'm wrong.

If the French and Spanish felt that way, we wouldn't be typing in American English. I applaud this company's offer, won't happen, but the thought is noble.

It must be terrifying to know your country is toast because the rest of the world is sitting on their hands, running their mouths and throwing around sanctions that will be too little too late.

I feel there is more to consider than ammo prices. The military jets are flying around like crazy in Tucson as I write. Scary times, as posted above, is correct.

weeniewawa said:

they will have the same problem making ammo as all the rest of the ammo manufacturers have, primers.

also this may make Ukraine happy but American shooters who may be future customers, may not be happy with them since they are scrounging around for any ammo too.

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Isn't one of Wolf's biggest ammo plants, located in Ukraine? I think small arms ammo, is the least, and late in the ballgame, problem. Also, alittle late in the thinking of, now, handing out guns, to the masses, as fighting the Russia's, is alittle different than handing someone a gun to say, shoot at paper, or maybe even a rabbit or something. It did get them some media time, though.

Nice gesture, but hopefully whatever is sent there will be used up, not left behind like the millions in arms and equipment we left in the Mideast.

NASCAR owner Richard Childress contributed to the same offer of a million rounds.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/nascar-richard-childress-donate-1-million-rounds-ammo-ukraine
Since most can't/don't purchase his product, seems like more than a marketing ploy.

-jb, pretty noble contribution

Logistically is the delivery of the ammo even possible?

Better to do a Go Fund Me to buy a Javelin for them.

Only about $200K per pop with the Command Launch Unit...

Conelrad

Besides all of the reasons already mentioned I would think that there would be literally a ton of red tape and hoops to jump through to get the okay to go ahead with shipping the ammo to Europe and into the hands of the Ukrainians.

They made a million rounds, sent them to a good cause and get some good publicity to offset the cost.

IMHO it's better than just spending the money on advertising alone. Might even cost less.

As part of the NATO effort to help the Ukrainians, the Prime Minister of Greece, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, has pledged to send thousands of Kalashnikov rifles to Ukraine. He just said this a couple of days ago.

The question is, where did Greece find "thousands" of Kalashnikovs to send?

This appears to confirm what we've already known: Hundreds of thousands of AK's (police estimates at one time were at least 250,000) were illegally smuggled into Greece from Albania after the fall of the Hoxha regime there. Of these, thousands were confiscated over the years from criminals and terrorists. The rest are being held clandestinely.

This further confirms that gun control in Greece, one of the strictest in Europe, has failed spectacularly.

ETA: This is an editorial cartoon about this, which appeared in the Athens daily Kathimerini:



Translation: (These are Cretans, who are known in Greece for having the most illegal weapons. Mitsotakis, the PM, is himself a Cretan.)

The guy on the phone says, in Cretan dialect: "Yes Mister Prime Minister, we also gathered together a bunch of them because we learned that we're sending Kalashnikovs to the Ukrainians."

The value of the free publicity they've received is already worth more than the cost of a million rounds.

It's not uncommon for companies to spend many times more marketing their charitable activities rather than the actual giving to charities. For a couple weeks this winter Dominoes was advertising how they are giving away over $100,000 in gift cards to local businesses. I saw the commercial at least half a dozen times. To run a nationwide 30 second clip on primetime TV will run $100,000+ for 1 airing.

Imagine what Ukraine would have done with the 80+ billion in arms we abandoned in Afghanistan.A million rounds sent to a major war zone is a marketing stunt.
They need A-10s,more javelins and stinger.
They need to be saved, something we cannot do. Russia intends to level Ukraine like they did Chechnya.

Conelrad said:

"…Better to do a GoFunMe to buy a Javelin for them…"

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You likely meant to type GiveSendGo above and your darn phone autocorrected it!

I applaud Ammo com and their efforts. They were just featured on Fox News an hour ago.

The negativity on this thread shows us just how far the United States is sinking morale wise.

Buck up! We have not reached Dunkirk status yet!

I applaud the idea but so we know they need ammo. They are not a Third World country. They have an industrial military complex and make all their own arms up to and including Tanks. Seems like some A10s are more needed. They have been slowly pushed on by Russia since 2014. They have plans and have been preparing for this since. I would like to know what they really need.

wcwhitey said:

I applaud the idea but so we know they need ammo. They are not a Third World country. They have an industrial military complex and make all their own arms up to and including Tanks. Seems like some A10s are more needed. They have been slowly pushed on by Russia since 2014. They have plans and have been preparing for this since. I would like to know what they really need.

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Air support.