Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

Ohio has passed it so far:

Senate Bill 215, as amended in committee, allows a law-abiding adult who is otherwise eligible to obtain a carry permit, to carry a handgun without first having to obtain government permission. This ensures that citizens have the right to self-defense without government red tape or delays. Additionally, this legislation maintains the existing concealed handgun license system, so citizens who still wish to obtain a permit may do so.

Sadly just as when Ohio passed the first CHL (Concealed Handgun License) laws there is opposition from the same groups. For years my wife and I strongly supported the Ohio State Troopers Association, our local FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) and The Ohio Police Chief's Association that all ended when they and other organizations opposed passage of CHL laws. Apparently their view is only they should be able to carry a gun, you know, much like a police state. The view currently is the governor will sign this into law. My days for supporting people who oppose my views are long done. Currently here in Ohio's large cities the criminals are well armed and many of those who are well protected seem to feel I should just dial 911. The second amendment did not mention a permit to carry a gun as far as I know. I expect Ohio to be the 22nd state to adopt constitutional carry.

Ron

The more the better for the entire country. All of the anti arguments have been proved wrong in every state that has passed it. Their stance proves that facts are irrelevant to them.

DeepSouth said:

Looks like AL may get ours passed.

I have yet to read the final text but I’ve been told it also removes the restrictions on carrying “Bowie knives” I may personally be happier about that than I am about the constitutional carry.

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I would just like my fellow AL residents to know the Alabama Sheriff’s Association teamed with Moms demand Action to fight this bill. Politically I think that helped us, some politicians that didn’t want to be seen as opposing law enforcement also didn’t want to be seen as helping Moms demand action/gun control

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I have to wonder what the legislature is considering to pass to replace the revenue loss to LE.

Funny when I worked on the job there were some judges that would not allow a leo in the court room with their pistol, baton, or pepper spray. Then we got a new chief judge and he carried his own colt 1911 45 acp in court and his statement to us was if things go bad if you don't get em I will.

Anchorite said:

I have to wonder what the legislature is considering to pass to replace the revenue loss to LE.

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From what I understand most other states haven’t had a significant loss, most people still get the permits. I know I will.

That may not be accurate though, and they may still use it to find yet another place to tax.

Dropped here in Tx

I heard there is a constitutional carry bill in Michigan but with our current governor, no point trying, she will veto it for sure.

aaaaa said:

I heard there is a constitutional carry bill in Michigan but with our current governor, no point trying, she will veto it for sure.

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Yes, but on the bright side you can now go to the weed store. My brother lives up there and fits right in. He was a late child for our mom.

Ron

aaaaa said:

I heard there is a constitutional carry bill in Michigan but with our current governor, no point trying, she will veto it for sure.

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Never give up. Keep trying if only to light the way.

Reloadron said:

Yes, but on the bright side you can now go to the weed store. My brother lives up there and fits right in. He was a late child for our mom.

Ron

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I might have appreciated that in high school (1970s) but now it is more irksome that we get wafts of the stuff when out walking in the neighbor hood.

What puzzles me is we have open carry in Michigan but not concealed without permit. Open carry is far more dangerous in my opinion than concealed. Well, when did politicians ever act out of logic.

aaaaa said:

I might have appreciated that in high school (1970s) but now it is more irksome that we get wafts of the stuff when out walking in the neighbor hood.

What puzzles me is we have open carry in Michigan but not concealed without permit. Open carry is far more dangerous in my opinion than concealed. Well, when did politicians ever act out of logic.

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I gave up trying to understand all the different state laws years ago. Never knew Michigan like Ohio has Open Carry. Personally I am not a big advocate of open carry. I can sling up an AR and go out wandering about. People unfamiliar with the law light up my town's police 911 lines to report "man with gun" to which the local police need to respond simply to check out the phone calls to 911. Now I am pretty sure the local cops have more important things to do, like real emergencies and I sure as hell have better things to do that scream attention to myself. All of this because people fail to understand the frigging law. Go figure huh?

Ron

aaaaa said:

I might have appreciated that in high school (1970s) but now it is more irksome that we get wafts of the stuff when out walking in the neighbor hood.

What puzzles me is we have open carry in Michigan but not concealed without permit. Open carry is far more dangerous in my opinion than concealed. Well, when did politicians ever act out of logic.

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Smelling pot as I'm out walking cacks me up. Especially when I'm on my way to work in the morning.

Sounds like your laws and the ones in Colorado are very similar. I'm not going to go into which stye of carry is more dangerous but once you get away from the large population centers people here don't give a lot of thought to open carry.

unclenunzie said:

Never give up. Keep trying if only to light the way.

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This. Again, a similar situation. There is little chance of Constitutional Carry passing here with the current leadership. But I think the political winds are variable enough that things could change.

starnbar said:

Funny when I worked on the job there were some judges that would not allow a leo in the court room with their pistol, baton, or pepper spray. Then we got a new chief judge and he carried his own colt 1911 45 acp in court and his statement to us was if things go bad if you don't get em I will.

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I’ll do you one better. We had a presiding judge in south Alabama that carried a M29 in a shoulder holster under his robe. Many of our judges pack J frames in ankle holsters when at work.

Alabama CC has passed from SJC, the House, and Senate. Gov Ivey says she will sign it but we will see. I am surprised the AL Sheriff's opposed to it didn't slow it down at all. It was first read on the House floor exactly one month ago. When a similar bill was proposed in 2020, it never went anywhere.

herrwalther said:

Alabama CC has passed from SJC, the House, and Senate. Gov Ivey says she will sign it but we will see. I am surprised the AL Sheriff's opposed to it didn't slow it down at all. It was first read on the House floor exactly one month ago. When a similar bill was proposed in 2020, it never went anywhere.

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Yep.
I don’t expect to see any change when I’m out in public.

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I might have appreciated that in high school (1970s) but now it is more irksome that we get wafts of the stuff when out walking in the neighbor hood.

What puzzles me is we have open carry in Michigan but not concealed without permit. Open carry is far more dangerous in my opinion than concealed. Well, when did politicians ever act out of logic.

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Open carry along with CCW licensing relieves one of failure-to-conceal, a critical advancement.

@Gov.DeSantis What is the problem? Florida deserves CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY!

Here in Ohio Governor Dewine has had the bill on his desk for several days still hasn't signed it.
He's up for re-election this year so it's a safe bet that his people are checking polling to see what effect this will have on his election.

A lot of police opposition to concealed carry stems from concern that people are not being properly trained to handle firearms. A cop friend of mine likened it to the light Drinker who goes out on New Year's Eve and drinks 12 shots of tequila there is no more dangerous drunk.
He just wants people to be properly trained in handling firearms whether it be open or concealed

Brubz said:

A lot of police opposition to concealed carry stems from concern that people are not being properly trained to handle firearms. A cop friend of mine likened it to the light Drinker who goes out on New Year's Eve and drinks 12 shots of tequila there is no more dangerous drunk.
He just wants people to be properly trained in handling firearms whether it be open or concealed

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Except that is proven to be an untrue problem. So they are ignoring the facts.

Brubz said:

Here in Ohio Governor Dewine has had the bill on his desk for several days still hasn't signed it.
He's up for re-election this year so it's a safe bet that his people are checking polling to see what effect this will have on his election.

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He has a lot more to worry about than constitutional carry. When he ran most just saw him as better than the other guy. I know plenty of people who really are upset over his handling of the COVID fiasco. He has others in his party running in the primary May 3rd. Be interesting to see if he signs off on the bill and till now he has been pretty pro gun. Come May 3rd things should get interesting.

Ron

Brubz said:

A lot of police opposition to concealed carry stems from concern that people are not being properly trained to handle firearms. A cop friend of mine likened it to the light Drinker who goes out on New Year's Eve and drinks 12 shots of tequila there is no more dangerous drunk.
He just wants people to be properly trained in handling firearms whether it be open or concealed

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While I can appreciate that, at the same time many of these organizations came out in strong opposition to the very first CHL bill. I can agree that reducing the CHL training was not a good idea and people who wish to carry should have some basic understanding of how the law pertains to concealed carry as well as a working knowledge of why a gun goes bang and safety precautions. Even proper storage is important, we have had children find mom or dad's gun and kill a sibling which just makes for more fodder for the whole anti gun movement. Anyway the organizations I mentioned including The Ohio Troopers Association opposed CHL licensing here in Ohio at the onset. That sucks because till then my wife and I were supporters.

Ron

There are no plausible reasons for it not to be nationwide. Criminals already carry weapons. Is it a good idea to train and know the laws sure. But that is up to each individual to decide. It is working just fine in every state that passed it because guns don't go out and shoot people.

I know TPTB just push whatever they believe will bring them votes but my heart smiles a bit when a few drops of common sense is injected into our states/country.

Brubz said:

Here in Ohio Governor Dewine has had the bill on his desk for several days still hasn't signed it.

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Are you sure it is on his desk? Both the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate have to sign the bill before it goes to the Governor. That doesn't necessarily happen the same day the bill is passed. What day they sign the bill will be mentioned in the House and Senate Journals.