Do it in the pants that you wear.

I just can not see anyone walking around all day long with a hand in their pocket on their pistol. I drive, open and close doors, push a cart, grab groceries, put groceries on the checkout belt, put groceries in my car, etc. I am at the bank filling out withdraw slips, signing stuff, or counting money. I am at a park playing and interacting with children. I am sitting down at a restaurant or movie theater. I am doing yard work or in my drive way working on my vehicle. I am at work picking things up, doing paper work, and typing on a keyboard. I am carrying box(es) into a Fedex or UPS hub to be shipped.... So on and so forth. Even if I do one handed task like pump gas, I usually do it with my dominant hand, and I would keep my carry weapon on my dominant side. There's just no way that I can fathom that someone who is productive can walk around all day with their hand gripping their gun most of the time. Most of the time when I leave my home it's to do something. Most of the time that "something" involves me using my hands.

Also, even with your hand in your pocket gripping your gun, you can not whip it out until after a law has been broken aka they already got the drop on you. If you see a man or group of suspicious looking men walking down the street, you can not draw on them until after they try and rob you. That is, they already have a weapon pointed at you. I can assure you that in my experience, the first thing they are going to go for is your pockets. If you are on the ground in George Zimmerman like wrestling like match for your life, getting to your pocket gun is going to be slower and more difficult. If you are crotched down or sitting, getting to a pocket gun is going to be more difficult.

Pocket carry is not for me. I don't like things weighing down my pocket, and I am confined to only being able to carry a mouse or micro gun. That or have HUGE oversized pockets with a 1 and a half to 2lb+ gun and holster combo in my pocket all day long. With that said, pocket carry has it's place. Every form and method of carry has it's pros and cons. My only beef is with those who are claim that pocket carry is just as fast, and those not being realistic about the cons of pocket carry.

I can't wear a belt; there is a medical device in my lower abdomen.

When I'm wearing cargo shorts on a walk, the cargo pocket is open and my hand goes within an inch of the grip every time my arm swings by. The holster fits the pocket tightly. It's hard for me to imagine that drawing from an IWB holster would be faster.

Cargo pockets, breast pockets of coats, and bib pockets of overalls are all easy to draw from walking, standing, sitting, or driving.

Hopefully I'll be wearing a belt again in a few months. I'll use it to OWB a belt pistol when hiking with my dogs and/or daughter.

Other than that, I really prefer pocket carry (various snubbies and an LCPII).

On a rare occasion I carry in a lower coat pocket with my hand in the pocket. It's when my daughter insists that the older doggy and I take our geriatric walk even though it's freezing cold outside. I would have my hands in my pockets then, anyway, so it's no trouble for a 30 minute walk. (And of course I use a pocket holster.)

Tallball said:

I can't wear a belt; there is a medical device in my lower abdomen.

When I'm wearing cargo shorts on a walk, the cargo pocket is open and my hand goes within an inch of the grip every time my arm swings by. The holster fits the pocket tightly. It's hard for me to imagine that drawing from an IWB holster would be faster.

Cargo pockets, breast pockets of coats, and bib pockets of overalls are all easy to draw from walking, standing, sitting, or driving.

Hopefully I'll be wearing a belt again in a few months. I'll use it to OWB a belt pistol when hiking with my dogs and/or daughter.

Other than that, I really prefer pocket carry (various snubbies and an LCPII).

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Off topic, but hope everything works out and gets better for you health wise.

Styx said:

I just can not see anyone walking around all day long with a hand in their pocket on their pistol. I drive, open and close doors, push a cart, grab groceries, put groceries on the checkout belt, put groceries in my car, etc. I am at the bank filling out withdraw slips, signing stuff, or counting money. I am at a park playing and interacting with children. I am sitting down at a restaurant or movie theater. I am doing yard work or in my drive way working on my vehicle. I am at work picking things up, doing paper work, and typing on a keyboard. I am carrying box(es) into a Fedex or UPS hub to be shipped.... So on and so forth.

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Nailed it. Yep, that's me. Hand permanently stuck in my pocket, never to see light of day until my pants come off.

Sheesh, dude. Read what people type before going to the extreme.

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Also, even with your hand in your pocket gripping your gun, you can not whip it out until after a law has been broken aka they already got the drop on you.

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True regardless of carry mode. The objective is be aware to prevent things from getting that far.

JR24 said:

True, IF you have your hand in the pocket it’s pretty fast. But that requires you to either have your hand in you pocket all the time (which does present issues, especially if you need that hand for balance or are attacked) or requires you to see the threat coming

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Fortunately, the same gracious Creator that provided the hands also provided eyes, ears, and (in my case) a modest level of cognition. The pocket carrier doesn’t have to have his hands in his pockets all the time. But by using those other attributes he can get a jump on the situation however mild the indicators are that there IS a situation.

commygun said:

Fortunately, the same gracious Creator that provided the hands also provided eyes, ears, and (in my case) a modest level of cognition. The pocket carrier doesn’t have to have his hands in his pockets all the time. But by using those other attributes he can get a jump on the situation however mild the indicators are that there IS a situation.

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Perhaps, but the bad guys get a say too, and blitz attacks from innocuous situations are quite common.

Again, I’m not saying it’s wrong or not useful I just think it’s occasionally worth pointing out weaknesses as well so folks can take that into consideration.

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Where are you getting the stats that "90+% of CC permit holders do not carry on a regular basis?" That seems like an incredible and assumption based stat that someone pulled out of thin air. Unless the tens of millions who either have a carry permit or who live in Constitutional Carry states were polled, I can not see how anyone could know that stat. Even if they cold called a few random gun owners, we are less likely to give out or be truthful about that information. I don't even want my neighbors, acquaintances, and even many of my family members to know I am carrying or own firearms. I find it hard to believe that out of 90% out of the over 21.52 million people who have permits (we aren't even including those who don't need a permit to carry legally) aren't doing so regularly. Not easy to believe for me.

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Here's a link, but they don't specify CC permit holders since many states allow CC w/o the permit. Says only 1 in 10 gun owners carry all the time. As the accuracy of the data, I can't speak to that.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...p-with-guns/psdt_2017-06-22-guns-new-6-22-00/

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, with all the plethora of holsters and featherweight teeny tiny handgun options available on the market in this day and age, comfort should be the LAST excuse or reason why someone is not carrying whether they try to carry in the pocket or not. IMHO, people who as a general rule find a gun, especially a mouse or pocket sized gun, uncomfortable to carry are using the wrong holster.

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There are probably many reasons folks don't carry than comfort. I'm sure a lot got into thinking they would carry all the time and it all just fades away after the newness wears off. But comfort has to be a huge factor.

Styx said:

My only beef is with those who are claim that pocket carry is just as fast, and those not being realistic about the cons of pocket carry.

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Until you have tried my method, I don't think you can have a valid opinion of it. I have carried IWB and pocket. I'm at least as fast with pocket carry, and faster if you have a jacket and shirt to deal with to get to your IWB setup. I agree there are pros and cons, to pretty much all methods of concealed carry.

JR24 said:

Perhaps, but the bad guys get a say too, and blitz attacks from innocuous situations are quite common.

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So true, and unfortunately at that point a gun - regardless of carry mode - likely is out of play.

JR24 said:

Perhaps, but the bad guys get a say too, and blitz attacks from innocuous situations are quite common.

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The recent attack on the Asian woman in New York comes to mind https://abc7news.com/asian-hate-crime-nyc-woman-attacked-yonkers-attack-tammel-esco/11651382/

Probably the least accessible position of carry for this woman, if she were carrying, would be front pants pocket, and it isn't a function her coat length, but rather her being forced to the ground during the attack. Coat pocket probably would have worked pretty well, but once attacked, just about anything, probably even small of the back would have been an easier to access than front pants pocket carry.

JTQ said:

The recent attack on the Asian woman in New York comes to mind https://abc7news.com/asian-hate-crime-nyc-woman-attacked-yonkers-attack-tammel-esco/11651382/

Probably the least accessible position of carry for this woman, if she were carrying, would be front pants pocket, and it isn't a function her coat length, but rather her being forced to the ground during the attack. Coat pocket probably would have worked pretty well, but once attacked, just about anything, probably even small of the back would have been an easier to access than front pants pocket carry.

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There was a video years ago on Active Self Defense, as well, of a gun shop robbery where a couple thugs just came in guns blazing, and the couple pocket carrying employees who dove to the ground for cover couldn’t get to their guns quickly or easily, wherein an IWB or OWB would have been easier.

Then again, in that church shooting in Texas, victim #2 might have been able to get his hand in his pocket when the guy entered and had a faster draw and maybe survived, so it’s all just thinking about the potentialities and being as prepared as possible.

Every carry method has its limitations. In all honesty I've only tried pocket carry once or twice. I've never liked the idea of not being able to access the firearm while seated & the only pistol I own that is small enough to pocket carry prints. I usually carry IWB behind my right hip with a Compact (G-19 sized) handgun. I usually wear size 2X pocket T-shirts. They do a pretty good job at concealment unless I bend over pretty far.

I like the idea of AIWB as being accessible in almost any position a person might find themselves in but I need to get a different holster for my smallest pistol to be able to effectively conceal there.

Mike J said:

Every carry method has its limitations. In all honesty I've only tried pocket carry once or twice. I've never liked the idea of not being able to access the firearm while seated & the only pistol I own that is small enough to pocket carry prints. I usually carry IWB behind my right hip with a Compact (G-19 sized) handgun. I usually wear size 2X pocket T-shirts. They do a pretty good job at concealment unless I bend over pretty far.

I like the idea of AIWB as being accessible in almost any position a person might find themselves in but I need to get a different holster for my smallest pistol to be able to effectively conceal there.

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Depending on body size you might consider just in front of the hip, like 2 o’clock or so, with a forward can’t. That’s my most comfortable location, conceals really well, and is accessible while driving or just about anything. With the forward cant, the barrel doesn’t point at anything important all day either (which bothers some folks). I can do a Glock 19 all day under my regular tshirts with very little printing, though it does take some getting used to and I prefer a small footprint holster to not lose flexibility