Minnesota lawmaker proposes bill to require license for gun owners

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One last comment then I am done. Many felonies do not involve the use of a gun. Felony tax evasion for example.

I agree with do your time rights get restored however I’d you mess up again then the gloves are off. I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me. But I would bet A large percentage of gun crimes are repeat offenders or have a criminal history.
 
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License for driving a car makes more sense since it is far more dangerous to drive a car that it is to carry a pistol.
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I drove down to Preston, ID a few days ago to pick some groceries. There’s about a 35 mile stretch of two-lane, 65mph highway between here and there. And while driving that 70 miles (there and back) of two lane highway, I passed within 8 or 10 feet of probably 50 motor vehicles going the opposite direction at the same speed I was going - 65mph. So I’m sure glad that at least most of those vehicles were probably being driven by licensed drivers. It made me feel secure knowing that because most of those other drivers had been required to take a class and pass a test in order to get their drivers licenses, they were concentrating on their driving. They weren’t “texting” on their cell phones, drunk or high on drugs, thinking about the argument(s) they had with their spouse(s) last night, drinking hot coffee that they might spill in their laps, and they were unlikely to swerve into my lane in order to avoid hitting a danged deer or elk.:eek:
Yep, mandatory classes, tests and licensing “idiot proofs” our highways and makes me feel safe while driving on them. If the federal government could just do away with that pesky 2nd Amendment, they could require classes, tests and licensing for people to legally carry, or even own guns. And that would make me feel even safer when I go for groceries.o_O;)
 
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Here is an interesting article against constitutional carry from a pro-gun group
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/c...nk-permitless-concealed-carry-is-a-good-idea/

I guess one would have to look at the statistics for before and after constitutional carry in those states as well as compare to more restrictive states.

Right now perps carry illegally, but with constitutional carry wouldn't the perps be legally carrying, at least until they use the gun in a crime, and if they legally acquired the gun.

I do think some people would carry under constitutional carry who will not if they have to get a permit/license or such.

But just to own a gun should not require a license. Some people may only collect and never shoot, others may only shoot at the range. Even for home defense, I don't see why a license should be required.

I can buy a car and keep it on my property without a drivers' license, though the car will get registered. Some kids do that, buy a car before they are old enough to drive and work in it to get it ready for when they get their license.
 
webrx said:
Las Vegas determines how Nevada votes. Sure wish there was a way to fix that also.
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As Member aaaaa put it:

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Somewhere I heard that there are no blue states, only blue cities.
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Would probably help if we returned to the system where legislatures of the States selected their Senators instead of by popular vote, as the inventors of America originally designed.,

That was a prime case where the Democracy Always Good, Republic Always Bad philosophy also worked to concentrate national power in the high-density population areas.

Also if we had a division of State legislative "precincts" by geographical areas instead of by number of voters, that would help. Sort of like an electoral college system for State legislators, but that concept needs some work.

And I dream on....

Terry, 230RN
 
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Sen. John Marty, Minnesota lawmaker:
“For young people, the 15-year-olds who can easily access guns now and commit armed carjackings and murders and other things, you know, they would have to go through training and they would have to go through a process to do this. And, we would have limits so that some of these 16-year-olds couldn’t go out and buy guns.”

Have any of these politicians ever bothered to look at the periodic Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys of prison inmates who carried or used a gun in the crime for which they are currently imprisoned?

91% of felons acquire guns from hard to regulate sources in hard to control manners: thieves, burglars, fences, black marketers, drug dealers (who often supply guns to juveniles who act as drug or money couriers).

Yeah, sure, a law saying they need a license, and if they didn't have the license, the black and grey marketeers would not sell them guns. And a drug dealer recruiting kids as couriers will demand to see a gun license before giving them a gun.
 
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Here is an interesting article against constitutional carry from a pro-gun group
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/c...nk-permitless-concealed-carry-is-a-good-idea/

I guess one would have to look at the statistics for before and after constitutional carry in those states as well as compare to more restrictive states.

Right now perps carry illegally, but with constitutional carry wouldn't the perps be legally carrying, at least until they use the gun in a crime, and if they legally acquired the gun.

I do think some people would carry under constitutional carry who will not if they have to get a permit/license or such.

But just to own a gun should not require a license. Some people may only collect and never shoot, others may only shoot at the range. Even for home defense, I don't see why a license should be required.

I can buy a car and keep it on my property without a drivers' license, though the car will get registered. Some kids do that, buy a car before they are old enough to drive and work in it to get it ready for when they get their license.
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That is bunk history proves his opinion is wrong. Criminals don't follow laws and where are the law abiding people shooting everyone?
 
Even my sister, who has been anti-gun most of her life (she is 50 now), took it upon herself to learn how to shoot a gun recently. She asked me to show her how in case she ever needed to use one when the world started going to crap 2 years ago and I did. Her comment was she needed to be able to defend herself and did not want to have to do so without at least knowing the basics.

My neighbors, many of which own guns have asked me to take them shooting and teach them how. Many don’t carry, even though Nevada is an open carry state.

Not sure how putting a jacket over a gun you are allowed to open carry changes anything to start with, but my point is anyone with half a brain will ask someone to teach them or show them how before carrying a gun around. Same with driving, sure my kids learned to drive on blm land, some with trucks, quads, side by sides etc. but they had an adult who knew how beside them when they learned.

With all the open carry states out there, where is the wild Wild West scenario and all the people being killed by law abiding untrained citizens? Not happening. People are not getting shot by law abiding citizens.

Also, I suspect very few if any intelligent people are carrying without at least a little education in how to use, shoot, reload a firearm. Do they know all the laws and how to stay out of jail if they do shoot? Not sure, but again I am sure if that was happening at a significant rate the leftist news would report on it.
 
aaaaa said:
Here is an interesting article against constitutional carry from a pro-gun group
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/c...nk-permitless-concealed-carry-is-a-good-idea/

I guess one would have to look at the statistics for before and after constitutional carry in those states as well as compare to more restrictive states.

Right now perps carry illegally, but with constitutional carry wouldn't the perps be legally carrying, at least until they use the gun in a crime, and if they legally acquired the gun.

I do think some people would carry under constitutional carry who will not if they have to get a permit/license or such.

But just to own a gun should not require a license. Some people may only collect and never shoot, others may only shoot at the range. Even for home defense, I don't see why a license should be required.

I can buy a car and keep it on my property without a drivers' license, though the car will get registered. Some kids do that, buy a car before they are old enough to drive and work in it to get it ready for when they get their license.
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Just to clarify, the Daily Beast is the furthest thing from a pro-gun group, and the author is a columnist for MSNBC. I expect that TTAG linked the DB article for criticism/awareness or to stir the pot, not as an endorsement of gun control advocacy or the MSNBC position on the issue.
 
Carl N. Brown said:
Have any of these politicians ever bothered to look at the periodic Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys of prison inmates who carried or used a gun in the crime for which they are currently imprisoned?
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I determined long ago that anti-gun politicians either don't know or don't care to know the statistics and terminology of firearms enough to deal with violent crimes. And I cannot determine which one is worse and more dangerous to firearm ownership.
 
benEzra said:
Just to clarify, the Daily Beast is the furthest thing from a pro-gun group, and the author is a columnist for MSNBC. I expect that TTAG linked the DB article for criticism/awareness or to stir the pot, not as an endorsement of gun control advocacy or the MSNBC position on the issue.
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Thank you for pointing that out. I did not catch the linked article. I think TTAGs was deficient in not giving better clarification when they referenced that article. TTAGs should have done more than just quote from and link the article. They should have discussed it and made their points as to why it is baloney. Well, I threw it out there for consideration and feed back and I got good feed back and that is what it is all about on web forums.
 
webrx said:
Also, I suspect very few if any intelligent people are carrying without at least a little education in how to use, shoot, reload a firearm.
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Here's the suckerpunch; There are unintelligent people carrying, both law abiding and not. Even some of the intelligent ones have not trained realistically, and most of the rest of us haven't done it enough, myself included.
 
230RN said:
Also if we had a division of State legislative "precincts" by geographical areas instead of by number of voters, that would help. Sort of like an electoral college system for State legislators, but that concept needs some work.
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Actually, it is quite simple: Delete the "winner takes all" aspect of the electoral votes by state and let the individual legislative districts each send their own electors to the Electoral College.
 
Careful that sword cuts both ways. Texas has voted republican in every election since 1980. California while it has 55 votes is offset mostly by Texas and their 38. So the deficit to overcome as things stand now is 17. Also since parties in power draw district lines, gerrymandering could significantly affect these districts and it could end up being worse.
In fact from what I have read. Romney would have barely beat Obama for his second term. But all other outcomes in the last 6 elections would not have changed.
Maybe, I’d you locked districts as they are now to prevent gerrymandering then you may have a solution, but maybe not. I like the idea, but since politicians lie and cheat, it may be better to keep the devil we know.
 
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webrx asked,

"Not sure how putting a jacket over a gun you are allowed to open carry changes anything to start with...,"

Because the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" clause says so, clearly and specifically.

Why, if it weren't for that restriction, people might go around with guns in ankle or shoulder holsters or just their pockets, or, G-d forbid, even in their hats!

Terry, 230RN
 
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Mn Fats said:
Not we. That would be the Twin Cities and even Duluth. Cities get to ruin states. The consensus in my neck of MN is we're tired of these people. But they get the majority come election time. Just like how Colorado got owned. Washington. Oregon. Even Texas might be next.
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Texas is well on its way. I've lived here for 55 years minus the time I spent in the military and the big cities, especially the Houston area where I live, have been ruined by liberals from out of state moving in for jobs, bringing their left-wing beliefs with them. Worst, they elect bleeding heart judges who keep letting felons out on PR bonds to steal and murder at will. I may be a little sensitive about this issue. But I don't go anywhere in Harris County unarmed.
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I lived in the Twin Cities for a couple of years around 2008. I recall telling my parents on about my 3rd day there that “you breathe in Socialism with the air in this place.” I can only imagine how much worse it is now.

Pleasant place to live, though, and I daresay that’s part of the problem. When you have plenty (and haven’t had to work overly hard for it personally) and have vague convictions that you ought to be a do-gooder… very dangerous combination. You have money and enough leisure to support or sign all sorts of junk, but not enough motivation to actually think critically about the issues because they don’t affect you personally. It’s a recipe for blue-city in a nutshell.
 
Mosin77 said:
Pleasant place to live, though, and I daresay that’s part of the problem. When you have plenty (and haven’t had to work overly hard for it personally) and have vague convictions that you ought to be a do-gooder… very dangerous combination. You have money and enough leisure to support or sign all sorts of junk, but not enough motivation to actually think critically about the issues because they don’t affect you personally. It’s a recipe for blue-city in a nutshell.
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Ugh! So sad and many of those folks are brainwashed by the media and government schools. But how to wake them up...
 
Mosin77 said:
I lived in the Twin Cities for a couple of years around 2008. I recall telling my parents on about my 3rd day there that “you breathe in Socialism with the air in this place.” I can only imagine how much worse it is now.

Pleasant place to live, though, and I daresay that’s part of the problem. When you have plenty (and haven’t had to work overly hard for it personally) and have vague convictions that you ought to be a do-gooder… very dangerous combination. You have money and enough leisure to support or sign all sorts of junk, but not enough motivation to actually think critically about the issues because they don’t affect you personally. It’s a recipe for blue-city in a nutshell.
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Toss "Minnesota Nice" on top of that, (Wouldn't want ta offend people, ya know) and you end up with a America-hating Socialist crook sent to Washington, where she teamed up with the America-Hating Socialist crooks from Michigan and New York.
 
230RN said:
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https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?posts/12259682/

webrx asked,

"Not sure how putting a jacket over a gun you are allowed to open carry changes anything to start with...,"

Because the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" clause says so, clearly and specifically.

Why, if it weren't for that restriction, people might go around with guns in ankle or shoulder holsters or just their pockets, or, G-d forbid, even in their hats!

Terry, 230RN
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I think actually my point was that there are many open carry states already and there are people, intelligent or not, trained or not are carrying in those states. So, I don’t think for those people being able to conceal or not, makes a big difference in the “risk” of an untrained person carrying. Aka what difference does a coat really make. I say none for the law abiding citizen.

i do 100% agree with constitutional carry. No limits on the law abiding citizen.

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