WW II Era Weapons in Ukrainian War

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AlexanderA said:
Ukraine is going to have so many weapons in circulation, after all this is over, that any attempts to restrict them will be futile. And that includes things like antitank missiles. Every farmer will have his stash.
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You never know when that cow is going to act up....

22250Rem said:
I was surprised to see a Russian soldier with a Mosin Nagant sniper rifle. Would have thought that Russia phased those all out decades ago..
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Are M-14's still in use as sniper rifles?
 
Speedo66 said:
You never know when that cow is going to act up....



Are M-14's still in use as sniper rifles?
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Mostly replaced by the SCAR, but bolt actions are still used as well. The M14 I believe, is only issued in very certain situations, and I also believe special forces have the option to carry one.

But for sure, its days of mass issue are over.

Personal note...while I love the M14/M1A...I own two, and its very capable of extreme accuracy way out there, they are very very touchy about temp, humidity and ammo. When it all dialed in...its freaking awesome, but it changes day to day..even hour to hour.

My AR-10 platforms are just better. While not quite as accrate..they are far more consistent...in fact, they also shoot the same..as long as the same ammo is used. Temp..humidity etc has no effect on them.

Thats the reason why the M14 fell out of favor...just too dang hard to keep zeroed, especially in real world battlefield conditions. A rifle that must be babyed does not really make a good sniper rifle.
 
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Amazing..... Never thought I'd see something like those Maxims ever used in combat again. And with a red dot, even ! The front half of those reminds me of the big, old British Vickers machine guns. One person could never hump those around, as they were classified as crew served weapons. The Maxim and Vickers designs, (with the Vickers basically a variant of the Maxim), were considered state of the art during World War One and here is that era's technology being employed in the 21st century. Will wonders ever cease?
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
Well.....if England had actually been invaded, they might be a little more pragmatic about such things- but then the English have always been a generally law-abiding lot.

The farther East you go, the more, uh.....flexible......the attitude of the proletariat becomes as regard to dicta of their "governments." Add to that the fact that those peoples are often under threat of invasion, civil disorder, religious genocide, and famine.

My daughters old boyfriend was from Hungary and said that it was very common for homesteads in the countryside to have secret stashes of forbidden weaponry up to and including belt fed and shoulder-fired weapons. Additionally, you could easily get just about anything on the black market if you knew a guy who knew a guy.
According to him, unless you actually shot someone, the cops would usually just steal any discovered contraband, or forget about it for a small fee.

Another good friend of mine grew up in Istanbul, Turkey. The government there only cares about protecting the regime, and doesn't really consider shotguns and pistols a great threat so they are generally somewhat legal, or at least not a huge deal if you are caught packing when you shouldn't- also with a small donation to the cops.

His Dad is technically disabled, and thus prohibited from owning firearms. The local cops have confiscated his guns three times and never actually served him with any paperwork.

Now, if they catch you with a centerfire rifle, THAT is a big no-no that will get you disappeared quick.
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Yep, all but that little dust up in the 1770’s. Folks tend to forget that British subjects formed an insurrection against the legally constituted government.
 
Speedo66 said:
Are M-14's still in use as sniper rifles?
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The M14 didn't even begin production until after the Mosin Nagant went out of production, and thre is a much bigger difference between a Nagant and AK than there is between an M14 and an M4.

CapnMac said:
Now, if US forces were seen fielding 03A4, that might be more comparable.
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This is a much better comparison.
 
Mn Fats said:
There were a smallish amount of American firearms that were donated to the Brits in WW2 by US Citizens to British citizens to fend of the Nazi invaders. They were quite literally collected and turned into scrap. View attachment 1069936These people did not get to keep thier protection. And actually alot of them forgot and mock us Americans today for having our Right to Bear Arms.

Europeans don't seem to learn the value of this Right. So I'm not sure of the fate of an armed Ukrainian citizen, but I guarantee that it wont stick after this done. What happens when they take away what we know as a right, will be up to thier government. If history repeats itself, then it doesn't fair well for the people.
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European Politian Elites knows it very well, but European populace is constantly bribed with other lies and pseudo better standard's life.
 
czhen said:
European Politian Elites knows it very well, but European populace is constantly bribed with other lies and pseudo better standard's life.
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There are a few benefits of European societies I wouldn't mind being bribed with, like universal health care and tuition free higher education.
 
Some countries take advantage of the situation and clear all stocks from WWII and post era, Military leaders will be begging for replacements.
Keeping the thread on firearms I have recollections of stories told by grandfather telling after the WWI were no food, some peasants even looking for dogs to eat on winter. Land was so burned from shell sulfurs that nothing grew up forcing to emigrated on winter. Having a Bolt rifle or shotgun with five rounds was a luxury for very few (something to remember.)
-UE is a myth founded by some Politian groups believing that they can export forever and living from tourism only, with no adjusting of their currency.
Evil always will exist even you admit or not (Ukraine=URSS, China today and the list is two page long)
the day we surrender our 2A we will be just an old tune.-
Sadly, we won't see anything from this conflict in matter of firearms for civilians at least for few years (still craving for a Russian SVT or lost STG44)
 
Every firearm design used today is over 100 years old. Almost nothing has changed since the development of metallic cartridges and smokeless powder. The first Maxim machine guns were from the 1880s!
 
A report I read said that they are issuing the Mosin's to cannon fodder. Conscripts with zero training are being sent to the front, given a Mosin and a few rounds of ammo and told to attack Ukranian positions. The better trained Russian troops are staying in concealed positions, when the conscripts are fired on, they are able to locate Ukranian positions.
 
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