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WW 630 Mid 1980s.
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This was listed as a 38 Special load in Speer Manuals from the period. Standard Primers and 146-158 grain lead bullets. I u sed it with the keith 358429 HP (430) with standard primers and believed the handbook about velocities in the mid 1000 fps range from 6" barrels. It was a great small game small varmint load that showed quite a bit of tissue disruption and full+frag expansion. WW discontinued the number because they found it difficult to maintain lot to lot consistency or just because it was Too Much Trouble. So, I've had this can rolling around in my closet for about 40 years. It passed the smell test so I loaded some 145 grain Tennessee Valley swcs over 10.2 grains This time in .357 cases ( I was shooting for 10 grains but decided that cavelling over .2 would be OCD)
Velocites from three ruger double actions showed low extreme spreads and gratifying velocity with the probability that the old 38 special-case loads were significantly higher and probably hard on the old standard frame revolvers. In the Olden Days , the people who wrote loading manuals place a lot of trust in Gun Writers and their magazine-published loads. They stopped doing that a couple of decades ago.
In any case, the current disorder could make digging out old cans of powder- sniff/sight testing for deterioration worthwhile for reloaders who still have primers and a source for bullets.
 
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There aren't many old powders that I wish I could try, but imr made a green label "4320" I believe was the number that reviews have made me want to use.
I've been told IMR4320 was essentially replaced by Varget. I picked up a couple of the old square metal canes of it that were still sealed at an estate sale. Wish I hadn't sold them now, but I didn't really know what I had in my hands at the time.
 
I like to have a reasonable expectation that a propellant will be available before working up a load. That’s the primary reason I don’t use Alliant. Although I wish they’d sell 2400 to another manufacturer. It has been available for 90 years and then, unavailable. ATK announced more than once their focus is on ammunition, not canister powders. It looks like Vista hasn’t changed that priority.
 
Speer/ Alliant ETC had the old Hercules powders and until the current collapse, continued to supply Unique, Bullseye and 2400. They had good bullets- particularly Gold Dots which have been gone since they abandoned civilians for a military contract-kind of like Federal did when they got the arsenal contract a few years before..
I'm not seeing ANY commercial powders now though there are rumors.
 
Speer/ Alliant ETC had the old Hercules powders and until the current collapse, continued to supply Unique, Bullseye and 2400. They had good bullets- particularly Gold Dots which have been gone since they abandoned civilians for a military contract-kind of like Federal did when they got the arsenal contract a few years before..
I'm not seeing ANY commercial powders now though there are rumors.
I thought when Winchester took over Lake City Alliant might catch up on canister powders but that hasn’t happened.
 
They had good bullets- particularly Gold Dots which have been gone since they abandoned civilians for a military contract

Not true. I picked up 2 boxes of 115grn GoldDots last month at the LGS. They are out there... but, no, not as plentiful as they were.

I have seen some Alliant powders on the shelf of my LGS now and then. I didn't get all excited about it because I have my stash of Unique, the only Alliant powder I use now. It wasn't a huge amount, but it was there.
 
I like to have a reasonable expectation that a propellant will be available before working up a load. That’s the primary reason I don’t use Alliant. Although I wish they’d sell 2400 to another manufacturer. It has been available for 90 years and then, unavailable. ATK announced more than once their focus is on ammunition, not canister powders. It looks like Vista hasn’t changed that priority.


I've got a pretty good stash of 2400, enough to last a few years anyway. When that runs out I don't know what I'll use if it's still not available.
The last 4 pounder I acquired through a trade. 4064 for 2400, even up.
 
My favorite obsolete powder is W540 which burns almost identical to HS-6.
Not true. I picked up 2 boxes of 115grn GoldDots last month at the LGS. They are out there... but, no, not as plentiful as they were.

I have seen some Alliant powders on the shelf of my LGS now and then. I didn't get all excited about it because I have my stash of Unique, the only Alliant powder I use now. It wasn't a huge amount, but it was there.

It may not be true in your local gun shop but in waco texas and the usuall internet suspects, .357 and .44 gdhps have been missing for more than a decade. IF they are returning to the market, I don't care. Ive moved on to other bullets.
 
I've got a pretty good stash of 2400, enough to last a few years anyway. When that runs out I don't know what I'll use if it's still not available.
The last 4 pounder I acquired through a trade. 4064 for 2400, even up.
I highly recommend Accurate 4100. It’s not a direct replacement for 2400 but it’s got some of the same traits and uses.
 
There aren't many old powders that I wish I could try, but imr made a green label "4320" I believe was the number that reviews have made me want to use.

I shot a lot of 4320 several years ago. A local shooter retired from high power shooting. His kids got the rifles, but they had no interest in reloading so he gave me the powder for a song. I think 2x8lb cans, one open and a small amount used cost me some labor helping him cut up a couple of trees.

It worked very well in any application for which I would consider IMR 4064 or Varget to be ideal. I can't say it worked better than either of those, but it worked at least as well. I think that's why it fell out of favor, it was so close to several other medium speed propellants, that it really didn't offer anything extra. It was for sale until quite recently.
 
It may not be true in your local gun shop but in waco texas and the usuall internet suspects, .357 and .44 gdhps have been missing for more than a decade. IF they are returning to the market, I don't care. Ive moved on to other bullets.

...a DECADE??? They were quite available up to the beginning of the Wuhan nonsense, depended on where you looked. For Heaven's sake, I bought 2 boxes of .41 Gold Dots a few years ago. That is not to say they were the only game in town... like you, I've since moved on to the XTP where I can't find the Gold Dot....
 
I have 2.5 lbs of IMR 7625... supposed to be good for 9mm? It came in the old Dupont/IMR 1lb metal cans, but were only filled with 1/2 lb of powder from the factory. I got it for $14.95 per half pound can. Anyone have experience with it? Plan on trying it as some point. Thanks
 
Off the top of my head I miss….

Winchester Super Lite…a favorite of Doug Koenig.
DuPont PB….was excellent in 9mm.
Solo 1000….cleanest burning powder I’ve ever used.
Scots Nitro 100….the new formula isn’t even close to the original.
 
I came up with a single pound of SR7625 as part of a lot. I've never used it, and can't seem to trade it off.

I suppose I'll have to find some way to use it.
The problem is, if I try it out and find some Super Boffo load, what do I do when it's burned up ?
Use it. If you do find an awesome load, be thankful and enjoy it. Be happy that you were able to use it.

If it doesn't pan out, you can rest easy in disposing of it.
 
There aren't many old powders that I wish I could try, but imr made a green label "4320" I believe was the number that reviews have made me want to use.

I stumbled onto an 8lb keg of IMR4320 not quite two years ago. It will work nicely in a wide range of smaller rifle rounds like 222 and 22 Hornet
 
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