Jericho 941 Steel Frame

The CZs of which these are patterns off of don't always like aluminum cased ammo, I have successfully avoided using it in my CZs. Your issue sounds like it could be an extractor spring if the hook looks good, undamaged. I recall early on I needed an extra power extractor spring in my 75B, worked perfect from then on.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/cz-75b-failure-to-extract.835638/

It’s ironic…I was just eying some of these Jerichos. Given IWI’s general reputation, I was expecting a good product. I was also wondering why I hadn’t heard more about them. Maybe this is why….

My only experiences with a 941s are trade ins from Israel, but the two I have feed anything I put in them. Perhaps new 941s are sprung like Caniks. Their recoil springs are designed for NATO ammo on the hotter side but will break in after some use.

NATO and Israeli ammo I’ve used in the past is much warmer stuff than wwb and etc.

giggitygiggity said:

At first, I thought that maybe it was just a stiff spring. That still might be part of it.

However, because spent casings were remaining within the chamber, I suspect that there is an issue with the extractor. It’s as if the extractor does not reliably grip the casing and, therefore, often leave the spent case in the chamber as the slide retracts and attempts to feed a fresh round into the already-occupied chamber.

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This happened with a Canik tp9 sub compact I bought. It would stove pipe on empty or leave a spent case in the chamber. Once I broke that spring in, never a problem since.

Have you tried cycling dummy rounds through it? If they all extract and eject without an issue you’ll know.

Navy87Guy said:

Given IWI’s general reputation, I was expecting a good product.

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I bought 100 .30-06 IWI cases to expand to .338-06. Most of them split either while expanding or after one firing. Based on this I never had the urge to buy another one of their products.
They may not make the brass but I just got a bad taste from this experience.

Check the extractor tension by sliding a spent case in breech (with the slide removed and putted upside down). Check also the condition of the chamber after you have cleaned it very well. If the extractor tension is strong enought, then I suspect it's a rough chamber.

I had a Jericho 941 steel frame. Nice looking pistol. But I didn't like it, either. I sold it.

I have two Jerichos, a near new one and a terrible looking SAO Israeli surplus gun. Both have been perfect with all kinds of ammo. I did replace the surplus gun's recoil spring as it had an incorrect one in it when I got it. Anything on the CZ pattern is going to be a gun I like!

A short cycling pistol cannot grip the next round from the magazine, because it just... short cycles... Check your extractor thoroughly.

I friend got a Jericho as his first pistol years ago. He had failure to fire issues after a trip or two and we grew apart (the difference in our politics made it difficult for him to enjoy our time without trying to convert me) before he figured it out. Knowing what I know now and what I know of the guy it wouldn't surprise me if he got too much oil in the firing pin channel so not necessarily the gun or manufacturers fault. Has kept the urge to buy a Jericho low though. I hope you figure out your situation and let us know what it was.

Had extraction issues with a BuckMark so I did the simplest thing, phoned it in, and bought a VQ. End of story...hardly. Turns out a small inclusion or other was narrowing the slot and needing filed down. The Volquartsen was wider still vs OEM that it would miss the rim entirely on cartridge #2 unless manually force back. Some careful file work got things running right.

I don't have your gun in hand, so I don't really know what the issue is, but just about once a week we have something like this...

giggitygiggity said:

I took out my brand new full size current-production Jericho 941 steel frame pistol ... Of the 20 rounds that I fired through it, I probably had 8-10 malfunctions....

... but am interested in what you think might be the issue. Thanks.

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Mizar said:

A short cycling pistol cannot grip the next round from the magazine, because it just... short cycles...

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giggitygiggity said:

...It’s also brass (Federal Rand and Target) and typical 115 ball so nothing that I would expect to cause hangups.

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New gun, with fresh/strong recoil spring, designed for defensive ammo - NATO/+P/+P+/etc., having cycling issues with low powered 115gr ball training ammo. Another point is this is called the 941 because it was designed to shoot both 9mm and .41 Action Express. It has a slide designed to handle .41 AE, so you'll need a little more "oomph" to drive that slide rather than a gun simply designed to shoot 9mm.

In the vast majority of these cases, using more powerful ammo corrects the problem. You could use defensive or NATO spec 115gr ammo, or use heavier training ammo such as 124gr or 147gr varieties. Bear in mind, this is a temporary solution until your recoil spring loosens up. After a couple hundred rounds, these guns typically run the cheap/lightweight ammo for the rest of the life of the recoil spring.

Of course, it could be something else entirely. However, before I sent my gun away for service, or started swapping out parts, I'd probably make my next ammo purchase 124gr ball, or shoot some quality defensive ammo through the gun to see if the problem goes away.


Edit to add: Lube - these days, since everybody seems to have been brought up shooting polymer pistols and the whole "6 drops of lube" stuff, most people significantly under lube their guns. That also may not be your issue - and note I didn't say clean your gun, I said lube your gun - but it is also another easy thing that often fixes some of these problems.

If it's new it could need more range time.20 rds isn't much.I re-read your post and I say more ammo please.

- Standard 941 recoil spring weight is 14 Lbs.
- The pistol weights the same as a CZ 75B.
- If it was short stroking, the empty brass will be under the extractor hook, not in front of it, sitting in the chamber.

More range time with stouter ammo.