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I dunno. It all looks almost as idiotic as a scope.
Marlin Guide Gun, I sacrificed form for function.
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I dunno. It all looks almost as idiotic as a scope.
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I have more with just irons but have used red dots and have one with a scope in it, they all work, just depends on what I want at the time.
It just one of the various choices everyone gets to make and it’s OK if yours changes. If you need to make an accurate shot and your batteries are dead, you can just remove it and you are back where you were before.
I do have “for looking at” guns but the most important part of a rifle I put to use is suitability for the task at hand not what it looks like.
It just one of the various choices everyone gets to make and it’s OK if yours changes. If you need to make an accurate shot and your batteries are dead, you can just remove it and you are back where you were before.
I do have “for looking at” guns but the most important part of a rifle I put to use is suitability for the task at hand not what it looks like.
Airborne Falcon
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I've got scopes, albeit size, caliber and platform appropriate, on several of my Marlins. My 35 Rem, 45-70, 30-30, 444 and my 338 MX.
I see a lot more guys going with red dots and holographics these days. I still like the Skinner Peeps best on my pistol caliber cowboy guns but I sure don't see anything wrong with glassing one to help you shoot better.
If you wanna trade levers, let me know. I've got a like new original 1895 lever around here somewhere.
Let us know how that RPP trigger works out. I've been looking at one of those for my 338 MX.
I see a lot more guys going with red dots and holographics these days. I still like the Skinner Peeps best on my pistol caliber cowboy guns but I sure don't see anything wrong with glassing one to help you shoot better.
If you wanna trade levers, let me know. I've got a like new original 1895 lever around here somewhere.
Let us know how that RPP trigger works out. I've been looking at one of those for my 338 MX.
Buzznrose
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I am much faster and more accurate with my Henry steel .22 since putting the red dot sight on it.
Pat Riot
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Why do you think they “call” for stock boots or wraps? There is no “rule” for that, just like there is no rule for installing or not installing scopes. It’s all someone’s opinion or preference in these regards.
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As to not chafe yo hoss...
I have a Lyman 57 peep sight on my 1894CP in 357 and it's good for the 100 yards or less that I limit that little cutie to.I just got an 1894S in 44 magnum and I'll be putting a Williams peep/fiber optic front sight on.One of the reasons I like the lever guns is their slim lines.If I had one that would shoot a little farther than those two I would definitely put a small scope on it.I'm pretty comfortable shooting out as far as 100 yards with metallic sights,but no more than that unless I have a scope.We owe it to our quarry to be able to get the job done right.I don't see anything at all wrong with a scope or red dot on a lever gun.I just let a 94AE in 7X30 Waters get away from me,and had I got it,it would be wearing a compact scope for sure.
Airborne Falcon
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I've got an 1894CB LTD and an 1894P ... been hesitant to do it because of their rarity but I may have to pull the trigger on peeps for both of these. I actually have skinners and lymans on a couple of others. Now that I've had the detached retina repaired and the cataracts removed and the lasik surgery on the strong eye ... peeps are probably in order for these.
Your CB has the octagon 20" barrel and hooded front post? How about the hooded front post on the 1894S?
I have a 20 or so leverguns of all calibers and barrel lengths and prefer the classic look with no modern accoutrements.
That said, when it comes to hunting, nowadays (at my age with associated vision issues) I need a little magnification and a more refined aiming point so I have a couple (of leverguns) with scopes and red dots.
This one ( a first year Guide Gun in 45/70) has accounted for many hogs.
Here’s the same rifle (before I chopped the barrel and threaded it) sporting a Bushnell Holosight:
Late Model Chiappa Ridge Runner (1886 copy) with 4X Leupold scout scope).
My scoped Winchester Model 88 that dates from the 50’s has accounted for a few as well.
But, I’m not above using iron sights in somewhat thick cover in full daylight as long as shots are 50/60 yards or closer.
Uberti Presidio Carbine chambered in 50/95 WCF will make quick work of short range pigs.
That said, when it comes to hunting, nowadays (at my age with associated vision issues) I need a little magnification and a more refined aiming point so I have a couple (of leverguns) with scopes and red dots.
This one ( a first year Guide Gun in 45/70) has accounted for many hogs.
Here’s the same rifle (before I chopped the barrel and threaded it) sporting a Bushnell Holosight:
Late Model Chiappa Ridge Runner (1886 copy) with 4X Leupold scout scope).
My scoped Winchester Model 88 that dates from the 50’s has accounted for a few as well.
But, I’m not above using iron sights in somewhat thick cover in full daylight as long as shots are 50/60 yards or closer.
Uberti Presidio Carbine chambered in 50/95 WCF will make quick work of short range pigs.
Rob96
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I have a Sig Romeo 5 on my Henry BBX 45 Colt.
They do not. The lever gun is often used in a saddle holster and the butt stock is exposed. The horse and rider might run through brush and be exposed to other dangers. The same reason cowboys (including modern ones and motorcyclists too) wear chaps and gloves. Protection.
I have both bolt guns and lever guns that have ammunition cuffs on the butt stock because they are hand for fast reloading.
Which model Henry RF rifles has a steel receiver? I am led to believe they are all Zamak V zinc alloy (pot metal)? If Henry makes one of steel I am in right now to order two!
I have a couple of the Bear Proof ejectors in my .45-70 Marlin rifles. I have never had a failure of the OE part. But WWG is making parts intended for possible use against dangerous critters where a failure could be detrimental to one's health. An advantage, in addition to being stronger, is that the ejector is set back slightly further to allow 430+ grain and slightly over length ammunition to cycle reliably. The simple answer is yes, they are worth it (maybe). The WWG Happy Trigger is also worth it or the RPP trigger, both eliminate Marlin trigger flop and improve the trigger action.
As to scopes, if you can get much lower than this Burris 2.75X Scout, I would be surprised. The scope is on Warne QD rings allowing use with or without a scope and retention of working open sights (ghost ring).
The above Remington built Marlin SBL will shoot clover leaf groups at 100 yards all day long with nary a flyer. And it runs smooth and reliably. This JM 336 Texan wears a period Weaver and Weaver steel tip off type rings. The caps are off because I was testing new ammo, 100 yards:
I do prefer QD type rings if on a lever gun. Looks accurate to me. Adhering to some sort of rule book that does not allow scopes on a lever gun because John Wayne did not have a scope on his rifle is silly. Open sights are great in close for fast work but aging eyes or to get the full potential of an accurate rifle, and at least my Marlin lever guns are accurate, to not use a scope is leaving performance on the table.
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Armored farmer
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In my first days on THR i howled about glass on a levergun. It just isn't right...! Then I got older, my irons list their sharpness......Anyway. you gotta do what you gotta do.
If I had a guide gun, I would try this vortex first. It is tiny. It wouldn't change the looks too much IMHO.
This is my granddaughters. 410.
If I had a guide gun, I would try this vortex first. It is tiny. It wouldn't change the looks too much IMHO.
This is my granddaughters. 410.
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My Marlin .45-70 will shoot a one inch group at 100 yards with peep sights and black powder. If any one's scope on a lever gun will cut that group in half, I'll buy them a beer, a shot of Jack, and treat them to a good cigar.
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I haven't read the rule book, but the reason I don't like a scope on a lever gun (or any rifle) is that it makes the rifle, for me, kind of awkward to carry. I like the way a lever gun kind of nestles in the hand, kind of hard to get my hand around the rifle and scope. And I find that good peep sights are more than accurate enough. Of course, if one has vison problems, that's a whole other issue.
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If you only go back about 3.5 decades, Ultradot still makes "old school" tube type red dots. "Ultradot began over 35 years ago with the creation of the UD25B"
A different choice of rings would be more classically styled, but these rings are low and lightweight. Not that this lever gun looks like it's from the 1980s.
This Gen 2 has a 2 moa dot, which is a nice dot size for carbines.
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The scout mounted Burris on my 1895SBL does not interfere with grasping around the receiver and is so light the balance is hardly affected.
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It's just a "thing" man. You know the thing!
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You are assuming that everyone has good eyes. As has been mentioned by several, some of us older folks have vision related problems, some younger people too and I do not limit myself to 100 yards. And shooting off a bench or rest is not the same as pop up shooting when still stalking. Quigly hit the bucket at 450 yards open sights without a rest, but that was a movie. And the Sharpes had vernier sights if I recall, not buckhorns.
And John Wayne was a movie actor. He really did not charge the bad guys on a horse spinning a lever gun. That was fantasy for entertainment. And Owen Grady did not really use an 1895SBL to hunt velociraptors but it was fun to consider, in a movie. And, he had a scope on his lever gun and so did the feller in Wind River. Just saying, since movies and actors seem to be the rule book.
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I have a CP with the round ported barrel.Yes,the 1894S has the hooded front sight,but I always take the hoods off.I can see the sight better in low light.I've got an 1894CB LTD and an 1894P ... been hesitant to do it because of their rarity but I may have to pull the trigger on peeps for both of these. I actually have skinners and lymans on a couple of others. Now that I've had the detached retina repaired and the cataracts removed and the lasik surgery on the strong eye ... peeps are probably in order for these.
Your CB has the octagon 20" barrel and hooded front post? How about the hooded front post on the 1894S?
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lolololol. By often, what percentage of lever guns that wear boots would you say are used with horses? Same question for bolt guns?
The same would apply to lever guns in open Jeeps and four-wheelers. And, yes, I have many times used and carried a lever gun on a horse. The butt stock is often exposed for quick access and therefore vulnerable to branches, briars and other impacts. Not sure of your point. I do not see many bolt guns carried on horses but I have and I see bolt guns and ARs in four wheeler retention systems and I have seen protective stock wraps on wood stocked bolt guns, an AR platform the stock can collapse and they are so ugly who would care if it were scratched anyways. What rule book you referencing again? I would like to read that section?
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Oh I hear you. I am very very very thankful that I can still use iron sights, and prefer them to optics. Don't take that for granted for a moment. I did mention that if one has vision problems, that's another issue. I just don't like to carry a rifle with a scope. However, the offer still stands!
For some reason, I've never been a John Wayne fan. Don't know who Owen Grady is, and didn't see the movie. ! I do believe though, that Josey Wales did shoot that rope on the ferry with one shot. That's a fact. Unfortunately he did use a scope. Cheater. But maybe Josey had bad eyes.No, did not/am not assuming anything about anyone's or everyone's eyes.
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