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Did some research into the other range. $190 to start if I can get in before October 20th. Otherwise I have to wait until January and its $225 to start. Ementities include:
No work hours unless you want to help out.
Either 2 or 4 skeet and trap houses
Ranges with benches covered by a pavilion and the ranges are 25-300 and all seperate from each other.
If you pay $20-yr they have a golf cart to use for target changing.
Benches are solid 6x6 framed and appear bolted to the concrete pad.
Archery range with multiple targets scattered throughout the woods.
And hopefully finished in 2022 is a steel pistol target range.

It's nice to have a range 5 miles away apposed to an hour plus but I may just join this nicer one and tell the current one I have no used the facilities since June due to work/family and I am resigning and not paying the $120 work hours I could never get. Only nice thing about the closer one is when no one is around I can shoot prone, practice pistol drills and if I drop or bang a rifle in the middle of deer season its easy to check.
 
So join both clubs and ignore the down sides ... ;)

You know, life is short and we are all going to die and stuff ... Don't sweat the "little stuff" as everything is "little stuff". :D
 
More drama...

Received a letter the other day saying now we are required to purchase two gun raffle tickets to support a social club in town or they will be tacked on as dues. So, currently its $375 with the work hours, steak dinners and now raffle tickets. If I get 6 work hours in each half of the year its only $135yr. These people just keep tacking on money and the grounds/range aren't improving.

I was able to get a guest pass at this nicer club and have shot there several times. Everyone I have met is super nice and accommodating, grounds are immaculate, benches are steel. I just ran some numbers and my current club is 30min/23miles from home and the nicer club is 42min/41miles from home. Its looking pretty promising to jump ship but it is nice having a range closer to home/work. My other dilemma is I have not used the current range but once this year. First half dues are due June 30. I've asked about work hours and told show up Tuesday morning at 9am to cut grass and that's it. If I don't pay their $120 for the first half of the year I am removed and placed as non renewal for future membership. Torn on what to do.

Current Range:
Muddy 100yard range
Cant shoot pistol if someone else is shooting rifle
Range is closed to members for public shoots 3 days a week and 4 days every other week.
Benches almost break from decay when using.
$375yr

New Range:
Trap and skeet
designated 25, 50, 100, 200, 300yard ranges
Steel target range for pistol
Benches made from steel and 3'' thick laminate tops
No mud to walk through.
$225 to start and if I wait until July its $165. Dues are $125yr.
Downside is its very busy.
 
Not gonna tell you what is what me I would go with the one I like best being over 70 no body will hire me for work so the years I have left are gonna be the best I can have I have all most kicked the bucket 5 times the first starting when I was 19 here it is DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY.
 
:scrutiny: Now? How'bout now? Seems to me that now would be a good time.

Reminds me of why I would never ... ever ... live in a place under the thumb of an HOA!.
Just hard to walk away from a place I’ve been at for 10yrs, close to home and never busy but I can’t afford these outrageous dues for such a crappy place. I used to do quite a bit of work and never had to worry about it until the new president took over and now it’s all about money.
 
I have complained on here before about my club but this one takes a new low. Just trying to get ideas on how to possibly fix this. I have spoke to quite a few guys and everyone is either afraid to speak up or doesnt think it will work but they all have similar concerns and gripes. I have been a member for awhile and enjoy most of the people and the convienience of being 5 miles away when I want to shoot. Over the years we have had a lot of changes with some being for the good and some for the bad, but lately its bad. Next closeset club is 1.5hrs away and always busy so I'd like some tips on how to possibly work on some issues.

150-175 members. Yearly dues and work hours payment comes to $305 plus your NRA card-year plus now your forced to pay $25 2x year for club dinner tickets even if you dont want to come. Pre Covid and a previous club president it was $245-year. They recently upped the work hours because "no one was doing them and this was an attempt to get people to perform work hours". If you complete 12 work hours a year it brings your dues down to $65-yr. Does not matter if you complete 20hrs the first half your still required to do 6hr each half of the year. IMO $305 is pricey for a club with a 100yard range that pistol, 25, 50 and 75yard all must use together.

Work hours: We have a mowing crew once a week with mornings and evenings alternating to mow and weed eat about 12 acres. They have 2 mowers and if you dont get there an hour before mowing starts your given a hand me down push mower and told push mow 10 acres. Sometimes you have 6-7 guys show up and end up getting sent home with 30min of work hours given because there is nothing for them to do or because someone on a commitee mowed the morning before.

One year myself and a few current and former members made a large list or things that needed completed and brought it up at a meeting to try and get people work hours because at that time $245 was pricey for some. We shared it at the monthly meeting that only 40-50 members show up to and was told they would look into it. Most of these commitee members have been on the committee for 20-30yrs. Next thing we know is all the work was done without being anounced and the work was completed by commitee members or retirees at 10am on a Tuesday. Commitee members arent required to do work hours and some have in excess of 40-100 work hours a year. But yet they upped work hour dues with a vote from 40-50 people of the clubs 150-175 members. We suggested bringing up work that needed done at the monthly meeting and they did at this last meeting and decided that 2 days later, on a Tuesday at 10am they were going to do a ton of work. One member brought up not being notified when a work party was scheduled and was told come to the monthly meetings to find out. Due to 3 small kids and working full time he could not attend the meetings and ended up losing his membership because he could not afford dues + work hours but was fully willing to complete work on weekends. They said no weekend work because thats when the range is most active and no commitee members want to work on weekends.

Membership say so: It is in my opinion and the opinion of guys I spoke with that voting should be approved by the majority and not allowing 2 members who dont approve to axe the entire thing. If we have 175 members than each member should have a say so and not just the 40-50 who show to the meetings to decide for the entire membership. Should members who show to the meeting have the only say so or should they send a letter, email, etc to everyone asking their opinion?

Range availability: They are now allowing the public to pay to use the range on specific days and while those days were say once a month its now turned into 2-3 days a week. Should members be allowed to rent the range and club multiple times a year for their own personal parties, gain, etc and shut other members out from using the range?

So far I have spoke to about 10-15 guys who i have known for awhile through the club and they all have similar concerns but not sure how to voice them. Personally, I am on the verge of just telling them to stick the membership and just find another hobby. A good friend of mine who's also a member said maybe we should write a letter to the club and post a petition asking that all members have a say so via email if you cannot attend a meeting and remove the rule where one person can deny a vote for the majority. We have tried approaching the president and other board members and everyone says thats the way this club has been in my 30yrs of being here. Well its time for some change. Are we being unreasonable about these issues? Just hang a petition up at the range sign in and hope for the best? Tell everyone how it is at a meeting? How would you guys improve on this?
I belong to a club for 45 years and things hardly get past the board. The Chairman has been the same guy for the entire time and has the last say.

Some of the board members have been in their positions for the same amount of time.

I've been a board member but gave up because it was so hard to get things done. I was Range Master for one of the club disciplines and after two years the club wouldn't spend the money for targets so we had to give up.

I've quit the club twice over the years in protest. You've got to be a friend of the Chairman to get things done. Even when I made the club the most money they ever earned for an event I didn't win member of the month.

I'm back to being a member because I get a discount on my shooting fees. I'm stubborn and with the old guard dyeing off I believe some new blood will take over. One new board member has started to be the Match Director for Steel Challenge Matches and has done a great job.

It's worth sticking around even if your current board is difficult to get things done. I like your idea of a petition hung up so that all club member can vote.

Good Luck and Good Shooting.
 
When my boys were younger they played baseball in a league with several fields. I was very involved in maintaining a 4-field complex. What you are describing sounds so familiar: lack of participation in maintaining the facility, pushy coaches who wanted everything their own way, you name it. Sad to say that this kind of behavior is all too common, whether baseball fields or gun clubs.
 
Clubs change for all kinds of reasons. They can be good for the club as a business entity but not so great for the members.

My club raised the dues 3 of the last 4 years progressively from $475 to 650. They are limited membership and have not opened more spots up and have expanded the pistol and rifle ranges. They are very big and nice with skeet, sporting clays, 5 stand, 500 yd range, 2 100 yds, 2 50 yds, 2 15 yd pistol ranges, and a dozen tactical bays. A clubhouse for events with a kitchen. Also a 3 acre fishing pond.

2 co owners and no board. Rules are very relaxed IME. Pretty good, right.

I used to use a lot of it in the first 3 years but a shooting buddy of mine moved away so all I cared about was rifle and pistol. Value went down. It was 40 mins away.

The most annoying thing was the big events they were trying to bring in (and succeeding). They are trying to turn it into an elites only country club IMO. Jacking rates higher than the plebes can afford while simultaneously making a name for themselves in the industry and making the facility high end. I expect their dues to continue to rise in the coming years to $1000 pretty easily.

I can respect that. They are succeeding. They got too expensive for my needs though. They truly are a good club, if expensive, and I wish them well.

I bought 30 acres last year so I can do my shooting there now.
 
I would go with the nicer club that's further away. It certainly sounds like the one you belong to now is nothing but a continual source of aggravation, frustration, and expenses that it makes me wonder how much enjoyment you're actually getting from shooting there.
 
Mosin77 has the right idea. If you haven't been to the closer one since June it makes no sense to pay the yearly dues plus extras. I'm confused though, earlier you posted that you're 5 miles from the current range, and over an hour from the nicer one. Recently you posted that there's a 12 mile/18 mins. difference between the two. That definitely puts the new range in top choice. Heck, you should see the prices in NJ! Stay safe.
 
I would go with the nicer club that's further away. It certainly sounds like the one you belong to now is nothing but a continual source of aggravation, frustration, and expenses that it makes me wonder how much enjoyment you're actually getting from shooting there.
Not much at all. It is nice to have because I can shoot until 930pm due to stadium lights, Its rarely busy and now I have a chronograph it would be nice to shoot over the chrono and not worry about others being around. Its just a few things are getting quite old. Tuesday/Wed after 4pm-dark, Saturday almost all day and Sunday noon-5pm you cannot use the range because of their public steel shoots or AR shoots. They charge $10 a shoot if your a member or not to participate. They wont spend the money on a concrete or blacktop side walk to change targets so its a big muddy walkway and then 3-4'' of mud from 50yards to the backstop. We have asked for rocks, mulch, gravel, etc. so we don't have to wear rubber boots and its always voted no by the 20-30yr members. But, let it bring the club money like these shoots that rake in a few hundred a week and they are all about spending $2k on steel targets when we use a 20yo riding mower to cut the grass and the motor is only bolted on with 2 bolts and half the deck is rusted out. Can we get a new mower? No! Too expensive. When they did break down and got a new mower only 3 people out of 150 were allowed to use it and they rarely cut the grass. Nothin like being handed a hand me down push mower to cut 8 acre of grass while 1 mower is being used and another sits. I don't mind the work, they just make it a PITA to do. I used to shoot once a week be it archery or firearm up there and due to the constant issues I quit going. Now i go to check zero on a rifle, check a couple load workups and sight in a deer rifle and that's it. Now the dilemma is tell them shove it and don't pay the 6 work hours in June and leave on a bad note or fork over the 6 work hours and leave.
 
Axis II

I would say let it go and leave behind all of the negativity and frustration you have experienced over the years.

Time for a new start at a new club!
 
Mosin77 has the right idea. If you haven't been to the closer one since June it makes no sense to pay the yearly dues plus extras. I'm confused though, earlier you posted that you're 5 miles from the current range, and over an hour from the nicer one. Recently you posted that there's a 12 mile/18 mins. difference between the two. That definitely puts the new range in top choice. Heck, you should see the prices in NJ! Stay safe.
This year, I have only been there 1 time for an hour.

My previous residence it was 5 miles. From my current residence its 30min/23 miles one way. When I ride with my buddy it takes an hour to get to the better range. I ran it through map quest and if I take the highway its 42min from home. He always takes backroads. I am kind of looking at it now that I will be driving 30+min to get there so why not another 10-15min.
 
This year, I have only been there 1 time for an hour.

My previous residence it was 5 miles. From my current residence its 30min/23 miles one way. When I ride with my buddy it takes an hour to get to the better range. I ran it through map quest and if I take the highway its 42min from home. He always takes backroads. I am kind of looking at it now that I will be driving 30+min to get there so why not another 10-15min.
It is time. Seriously.
 
An hour away to shoot is nothing if you live in an urban area.

My new range is 2 hrs away and worth every penny since I’m the only member.

I have thought of joining a different range that is on my way out there so I wouldn’t have to build the infrastructure on my land to make it as safe and convenient as possible to shoot there. I’ll probably just do that though since it will cost less than one years membership at this other place nearby.
 
My dues are $85 yearly-just paid them, in fact. Work at the club is required, but not really forced, so naturally the same people do most of it. I cut grass at one of the ranges-there are two that belong to the same club. I also currently run the Steel Challenge. Ours is a great club that is usually battling it's little problems as well. Only recently our president demanded the pipes be taken out of the ground for the steel target stands on the pistol range, because he tripped on one due to frost heave, which happens every year. (Just pound em back down when it's warm again, but NOOO, it happened to ME, so everybody must suffer) Yes, it sounds just like how the country is being run. Now we have these ridiculous stands for the steel targets that are going to be hell to find a place to store. I'm a board member, but had no say in this latest flap, it was simply done. Still the club is mine as well as the other members, and I'll do my best to make it succeed and prosper.
 
I have complained on here before about my club but this one takes a new low. Just trying to get ideas on how to possibly fix this. I have spoke to quite a few guys and everyone is either afraid to speak up or doesnt think it will work but they all have similar concerns and gripes. I have been a member for awhile and enjoy most of the people and the convienience of being 5 miles away when I want to shoot. Over the years we have had a lot of changes with some being for the good and some for the bad, but lately its bad. Next closeset club is 1.5hrs away and always busy so I'd like some tips on how to possibly work on some issues.

150-175 members. Yearly dues and work hours payment comes to $305 plus your NRA card-year plus now your forced to pay $25 2x year for club dinner tickets even if you dont want to come. Pre Covid and a previous club president it was $245-year. They recently upped the work hours because "no one was doing them and this was an attempt to get people to perform work hours". If you complete 12 work hours a year it brings your dues down to $65-yr. Does not matter if you complete 20hrs the first half your still required to do 6hr each half of the year. IMO $305 is pricey for a club with a 100yard range that pistol, 25, 50 and 75yard all must use together.

Work hours: We have a mowing crew once a week with mornings and evenings alternating to mow and weed eat about 12 acres. They have 2 mowers and if you dont get there an hour before mowing starts your given a hand me down push mower and told push mow 10 acres. Sometimes you have 6-7 guys show up and end up getting sent home with 30min of work hours given because there is nothing for them to do or because someone on a commitee mowed the morning before.

One year myself and a few current and former members made a large list or things that needed completed and brought it up at a meeting to try and get people work hours because at that time $245 was pricey for some. We shared it at the monthly meeting that only 40-50 members show up to and was told they would look into it. Most of these commitee members have been on the committee for 20-30yrs. Next thing we know is all the work was done without being anounced and the work was completed by commitee members or retirees at 10am on a Tuesday. Commitee members arent required to do work hours and some have in excess of 40-100 work hours a year. But yet they upped work hour dues with a vote from 40-50 people of the clubs 150-175 members. We suggested bringing up work that needed done at the monthly meeting and they did at this last meeting and decided that 2 days later, on a Tuesday at 10am they were going to do a ton of work. One member brought up not being notified when a work party was scheduled and was told come to the monthly meetings to find out. Due to 3 small kids and working full time he could not attend the meetings and ended up losing his membership because he could not afford dues + work hours but was fully willing to complete work on weekends. They said no weekend work because thats when the range is most active and no commitee members want to work on weekends.

Membership say so: It is in my opinion and the opinion of guys I spoke with that voting should be approved by the majority and not allowing 2 members who dont approve to axe the entire thing. If we have 175 members than each member should have a say so and not just the 40-50 who show to the meetings to decide for the entire membership. Should members who show to the meeting have the only say so or should they send a letter, email, etc to everyone asking their opinion?

Range availability: They are now allowing the public to pay to use the range on specific days and while those days were say once a month its now turned into 2-3 days a week. Should members be allowed to rent the range and club multiple times a year for their own personal parties, gain, etc and shut other members out from using the range?

So far I have spoke to about 10-15 guys who i have known for awhile through the club and they all have similar concerns but not sure how to voice them. Personally, I am on the verge of just telling them to stick the membership and just find another hobby. A good friend of mine who's also a member said maybe we should write a letter to the club and post a petition asking that all members have a say so via email if you cannot attend a meeting and remove the rule where one person can deny a vote for the majority. We have tried approaching the president and other board members and everyone says thats the way this club has been in my 30yrs of being here. Well its time for some change. Are we being unreasonable about these issues? Just hang a petition up at the range sign in and hope for the best? Tell everyone how it is at a meeting? How would you guys improve on this?
Why on earth are you still a member?
I used to belong to a range that headed in the direction you describe, I put up with 18 months of it and said to heck with it. I mailed them my membership card back with the reasons I was quitting, It caused quite a stir!!!
I started using the State range which is fantastic, that was 5 years ago and the State range is now even better than anywhere I ever shot before.
No regrets about telling the prior club to shove it and now they have lost so many members the range is poorly maintained. Best move I ever made , Sounds like you need to do the same! Best of luck and hope you find something you like.
 
Buy your own land and do what you want.

Its what a lot of folks (me included) have done and it absolves all of the issues you're dealing with.

As long as you are working within the constructs of others you are subject to their "rules".
 
When rules and costs make it kind of a drudgery to continue, it's time to go. I stopped going to one of the nicer places locally when they refused to just let me shoot at the speed I wanted to (Not all that quickly, IMHO, and most of the time, I was the first customer of the day, and the only person shooting), and seemed more concerned about how far a couple of my guns ejected fired cases than "safety". I let them keep the brass, so what was the big deal? The places I go now range from a friend's backyard (a long way away), to a new place (very close and nice), both of which don't nag me about minor(At most) rules and regs, so I vote with my $$$.
 
This year, I have only been there 1 time for an hour ... its 30min

to get to the better range ... its 42min ... I will be driving 30+min to get [to old range] so why not another 10-15min [for the better range]
Sounds like no brainer to me. :D:thumbup:

Personally, I would have left long time ago.
 
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