Update on Import Ban of Russian Ammunition

alsaqr · May 5, 2022

Companies with existing and pending importation permits at time of the "ban" continued to import Russian ammunition because of a State Dep't "loophole". Import of ammunition from Russia may be coming to an end because of banking and economic sanctions.

On March 16, the Russian army advanced on Chernihiv, Bucha and Irpin, Ukraine – firing steel-cased ammunition from the military's AK rifles.

On the other side of the globe, a cargo ship carrying the same type of ammo from St. Petersburg docked in Philadelphia. A container with pallets of shrink-wrapped boxes slowly made its way to warehouses in Florida, South Carolina and Ohio and onto store shelves nationwide.

All Russian ammo was banned for import to the U.S. as of Sept. 7, 2021, but the cheap 7.62 x 39 mm bullets – favored by many Americans for target practice with semiautomatic rifles – kept flowing because of a State Department loophole allowing existing and pending import permits to stand. Russian brands such as Wolf, TulAmmo and Barnaul are easy to find at gun shops and U.S.-based online retailers.

What Russian ammo ban? Loophole keeps it on US shelves, splitting gun rights groups (msn.com)

rust collector · May 6, 2022

If I understand correctly, the "loophole", a term laden with value judgement, was that permits had been issued before the about-face and would likely not be renewed when they had been fulfilled. Now that payment cannot be made, purchases cannot proceed regardless of prior authorization. Some of the ammo previously purchased was apparently sent to Ukraine earlier.

Hartkopf · May 6, 2022

LOOPHOLE!!!!! :what:

Evil loophole Russian loving American gun owners are terrible!!! (eye roll). Yea there is no loophole, just how the ban was put in place. More media hype and it only makes sense that payment problems would halt Russian ammo when we are seizing yachts and homes at will.

FL-NC · May 6, 2022

No such thing as a "legal loophole". There is what is legal, and what isn't. Unless those people want to admit that everything that they don't agree with and can't do anything about is a "loophole".

wbm · May 6, 2022

Considering their current situation, Russians would do well to hang on to all the ammo they have.

Speedo66 · May 6, 2022

A loophole is what the other side uses.

When you use it, it's a correctly done perfectly legal procedure that shows off your knowledge and abilities.

jmorris · May 6, 2022

“Loophole” you mean like Congress passing laws that apply to every American, except themselves? Something written in intentionally.

Or are they citing a law that was insufficient as drafted and didn’t cover all the bases? This happens all the time when people try to control things they don’t know anything about.

jmorris · May 6, 2022

wbm said:
Considering their current situation, Russians would do well to hang on to all the ammo they have.

As would we, with our strategic oil reserves, they are draining to counter act other negative actions they have already taken.

CoalCrackerAl · May 6, 2022

I was shocked to see Tula at my LGS. I bought some for my Mosin. It likes it for accuracy. I grabbed some PPU too for the brass,

unclenunzie · May 6, 2022

To me this is very personal. Not a dime of my money will go toward any products of any kind from the center of the former USSR. Now when things are settled in that part of the world I expect there to be a huge surplus available from manufacturers in friendly countries. If I were of a mind to own an AK pattern rifle I'd get one while they are cheap, and feed it later on that basis.

edwardware · May 6, 2022

FL-NC said:
No such thing as a "legal loophole".

And we're here writing this because of a loop hole in the Constitution.

kwguy · May 6, 2022

I hope we don’t completely lose the ability to feed our Russian weapons. Individual personal feelings aside.

LoonWulf · May 6, 2022

kwguy said:
I hope we don’t completely lose the ability to feed our Russian weapons. Individual personal feelings aside.

Reload and you wont, tho I doubt youd want to make 1000rnds of blasting ammo.....Hornady at least is producing all the major Ruski rounds in brass. If there's a market id expect others to start as well.

.455_Hunter · May 6, 2022

I don't know exactly how sanctions work, but I am surprised the ammo shipments cleared customs once the war started.

The Glockodile · May 6, 2022

unclenunzie said:
To me this is very personal. Not a dime of my money will go toward any products of any kind from the center of the former USSR. Now when things are settled in that part of the world I expect there to be a huge surplus available from manufacturers in friendly countries. If I were of a mind to own an AK pattern rifle I'd get one while they are cheap, and feed it later on that basis.

This went from green...

...to red in something like five minutes.

unclenunzie · May 6, 2022

@The Glockodile Don't know what my post has to do with it? What I mean is I didn't buy any LOL

The Glockodile · May 6, 2022

unclenunzie said:
@The Glockodile Don't know what my post has to do with it? What I mean is I didn't buy any LOL

Neither did I.

It’s just odd - despite how we’re supposed to be showing some kind of solidarity against what Russia’s doing (an assumption of mine) - sanctions and all - Russian ammunition still sells.

Not trying to be political.

rust collector · May 6, 2022

As we have seen repeatedly, any inkling of a shortage, scarcity or kink in the supply chain puts certain types in panic mode. Those types are those who live in fear of running out, and those who wish to make a profit off the former by putting another link in the supply chain.

Any ammo that is stateside has been paid for, and buying it does not help Russia. Do not make a gun purchase on the basis of cheap ammunition and you will be OK.

The Glockodile · May 6, 2022

rust collector said:
Any ammo that is stateside has been paid for, and buying it does not help Russia.

Thinking about it...

...it implies that we have already helped Russia, past tense :rofl:

Mars5l · May 6, 2022

I'm sure the reality is if they refused the ships at the port post embargo they'd just send the ammo back to be used in Ukraine. I keep hearing any ammo not already on there way was being redirected to the war

N555 · May 7, 2022

The term "loophole" is used every time the stupid gun grabbers don't get their way. The ban is on new permits, after August or September of 2021. The permits last for 2 years.
I say buy all the ammo and primers you can from Russia. Less they have to use in Ukraine.
The United States was buying million of dollars per day of oil from Russia and probably still is buying it indirectly. So any munitions we buy from them is a drop in the bucket.

Electricmo · May 7, 2022

The media has turned Russia into the bad guy. I’m not buying what they’re selling. All the wrong people are backing the other guy. Therefore I try to buy all the Russian stuff already here.
The Obama’s, Clinton’s and Biden’s are up to their necks in Ukrainian corruption. Trump tried to expose it and look where he is at now.

RetiredUSNChief · May 7, 2022

Speedo66 said:
A loophole is what the other side uses.

When you use it, it's a correctly done perfectly legal procedure that shows off your knowledge and abilities.

A loophole is what somebody thinks is an unfair lack of restriction on somebody else's ability to exercise their freedoms and liberties which they don't agree with.

DustyGmt · May 7, 2022

Mars5l said:
I'm sure the reality is if they refused the ships at the port post embargo they'd just send the ammo back to be used in Ukraine. I keep hearing any ammo not already on there way was being redirected to the war

Why is it that Uktaine needs our help with small arms + Ammunition. Are there not major manufacturing facilities in Ukraine that could litterally supply their armed forces 20×30× over??? Or has Russia blown up their facilities and supply depots.

I just can't believe that a country with that kind of tension from the north wouldn't be swimming in small arms and ammunition, even places like Serbia and Albania have MASSIVE stockpiles of arms.

Now as far as advanced missiles and batteries of assault drones and assault vehicles, I can see why they would come to us for those I guess......

Mosin77 · May 7, 2022

I want to buy Russian ammo, or any ammo. Because another thousand rounds of 7.62x39 just sounds like a great idea. But that’s my fun money for a month or more, and I haven’t shot the hundreds of rounds I already have, so….. someone else can have my share. I’m generous.

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