Jamie B
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Excellent. Agree completely. Sage advice.
Backup Gun Choices (thinking small)
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No Personnel Experience---maybe?
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I think it means a Non-Permissive Environment to people that carry firearms. AKA schools, court houses, businesses with legal signage, etc.
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NPE: Non-permitted (or permissive) environment. This refers to places in which carry/possession is not permitted by the proprietors, but not necessarily unlawful. An example would be a workplace in which carry could get one disciplined or fired, or a place posted "no firearms" in a jurisdiction in which the posting is not backed by a law or statute.
GFZ: Gun-free zone. These are places in which carry/possession is unlawful. An example would be a school (in most states/jurisdictions), an airport, or a place posted "no firearms", with such posting backed by a law or statute.
On THR, we're typically free to discuss NPE-carry, but we do not condone or discuss GFZ carry, as it is unlawful.
GFZ: Gun-free zone. These are places in which carry/possession is unlawful. An example would be a school (in most states/jurisdictions), an airport, or a place posted "no firearms", with such posting backed by a law or statute.
On THR, we're typically free to discuss NPE-carry, but we do not condone or discuss GFZ carry, as it is unlawful.
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AAAH---Grasshopper is enlightened !
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NPE: carry where legal but seriously frowned upon with consequences such as firing from a job as the classic example.
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I write off the Beretta Tomcat for carry because I think a safety is a liability in a sudden SD situation. I could get one for range fun though.
So I now have six handguns:
9mm S&W SD9 VE
Seacamp LWS 32
Kel Tec P32
S&W 686 Plus
S&W 642
S&W 31 long (model 31-1)
Primary carry could be the SD9, the 686 or the 642. If I primary carry the SD9 I want the 642 as a BUG
If I primary carry the 686 or the 642 I would have either the Kel Tec or the Seacamp for a BUG.
Nice thing about the Seacamp is it cannot (99.9%) go out of battery if jammed into the perps chest. The Kel Tec easily would go out of battery.
Best setup is the SD9 in a cross draw IWB with spare mag and the 642 in pocket and a speed strip.
Bester setup is to buy bigger guns!
So I now have six handguns:
9mm S&W SD9 VE
Seacamp LWS 32
Kel Tec P32
S&W 686 Plus
S&W 642
S&W 31 long (model 31-1)
Primary carry could be the SD9, the 686 or the 642. If I primary carry the SD9 I want the 642 as a BUG
If I primary carry the 686 or the 642 I would have either the Kel Tec or the Seacamp for a BUG.
Nice thing about the Seacamp is it cannot (99.9%) go out of battery if jammed into the perps chest. The Kel Tec easily would go out of battery.
Best setup is the SD9 in a cross draw IWB with spare mag and the 642 in pocket and a speed strip.
Bester setup is to buy bigger guns!
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A 9mm and a 38/357? Bigger is not always better.
A major part of the equation is the skill of the operator.
A major part of the equation is the skill of the operator.
Now that the Seecamp LWS-32 has been brought to the table, in this discussion, I will express my support. In my hands, at least, the long-stroke double-action-only trigger, and the rather far forward pivot point of the trigger of the Seecamp design, enable it to “behave” like a much larger handgun, for me. (Others’ experience may vary.)
Reloading a Seecamp, with a fresh magazine, is not something that I think is likely to be completed, before the gunfight is over. The trade-off is that the magazine is very unlikely to be unintentionally released. The best “reload,” during a fight, is a another weapon.
I do like that the Seecamp works well with a lube that works “dry,” such as EEZOX.
In my hands, a Seecamp LWS-32 is much more comfortable to shoot, than a Kel-Tec P-32. The Kel-Tec is off-the-scale uncomfortable, for me. If the Seecamp LWS-32 did not exist, I would not buy a Ke-Tec to be a substitute. I do not need a firearm, to fill every possible/potential niche.
Reloading a Seecamp, with a fresh magazine, is not something that I think is likely to be completed, before the gunfight is over. The trade-off is that the magazine is very unlikely to be unintentionally released. The best “reload,” during a fight, is a another weapon.
I do like that the Seecamp works well with a lube that works “dry,” such as EEZOX.
In my hands, a Seecamp LWS-32 is much more comfortable to shoot, than a Kel-Tec P-32. The Kel-Tec is off-the-scale uncomfortable, for me. If the Seecamp LWS-32 did not exist, I would not buy a Ke-Tec to be a substitute. I do not need a firearm, to fill every possible/potential niche.
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I don't know if you have big hands, but I do and that makes the Seacamp a bear with the trigger guard banging the finger. I felt much better shooting the P32. But with the P32 I accidentally release the magazine. I had 71 grain flat nose fmj for the Seacamp. I will try again with the 60 grain HP that are recommended and see if it does not behave. Also the flat points gave some jams. Maybe I need that fancy dry lube. Either gun, my trigger finger is too big for the short reach.
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